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Anne Sinnott vindicated - she was right!

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SwiftNC · 26/09/2018 01:14

Link to article

But we knew that anyway!

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wacademia · 02/10/2018 11:28

single-sex changing rooms and toilets, has always, rightly, been inclusive to trans people, on a self identification basis.

I don't recall that being the case when they ran women-only screened swimming so that muslim and jewish women could swim at Parkside pool. This is going back 15-20 years. Of course, they don't offer that now. Since when has less than one percent of the population had the right to freeze out religious women and rape survivors?

SirVixofVixHall · 02/10/2018 11:34

So there are people so stupid that they think the public can’t tell the difference between a woman with short hair and trousers (me today) and a man ? Women have been persuaded to believe that if they aren’t feminine enough they will get beaten up ? This is insane.

arranfan · 02/10/2018 11:36

Nolan Principles of Public Life cover local government:

www.leadinggovernance.com/blog/nolan-principles-20-years

bd67th · 02/10/2018 12:31

So there are people so stupid that they think the public can’t tell the difference between a woman with short hair and trousers (me today) and a man ? Women have been persuaded to believe that if they aren’t feminine enough they will get beaten up?

And these same people have the brazen nerve to accuse us of scaremongering when we ask questions about safeguarding in the wake of Jess "flasher" Bradley and Karen White. They are the scaremongers, not us.

If men are beating up lesbians, it's not because of what loo they are using, it's because they are lesbians.

GColdtimer · 02/10/2018 14:04

@AnnMSinnott well done. I am going out this weekend with a local group and am taking postcards and flyers everywhere I go. Thank you for standing up for women.

Layla Moran is my MP. There was a lengthy discussion about this. Thought you might be interested, scroll down to 12th August.

www.facebook.com/LaylaMoranUK/

gendercritter · 02/10/2018 16:30

Well done Ann and thank you so much

AnnMSinnott · 02/10/2018 16:45

FatherBuzzCagney Where did you see that Statement from Anna Smith on Cambridge Council's equality policy?

AnnMSinnott · 02/10/2018 16:47

Well done twofalls!

R0wantrees · 02/10/2018 17:02

Bizarrely, former cllr Sarah Brown seems to be under the delusion that a local unlawful policy should trump national legislation!

One presumes this is due to the success that Sarah Brown and others have had in asserting this thus far?

arranfan · 02/10/2018 17:06

Can I say how grateful I am that Anna Smith's letter states an explicit agenda to update the out-of-date 2010 EA?

You know, the one that people keep telling us won't change so womenmaking a mountain of of a molehill with the proposed changes to GRA?

R0wantrees · 02/10/2018 17:24

July 2018 James Kirkup Twitter thread on Government assertion that single sex exemptions Equalities Act 2010 would not be affected:

"Some facts about the events that preceded the Government statement here that the coming consultation on the Gender Recognition Act will be narrowly drawn and not affect the Equality Act’s single sex exemptions.

I offer these facts because some are claiming “there was never any question of removing/amending EA exceptions.” Those claims are either mistaken or dishonest.
August 2015
Stonewall submission to the Women & Equalities Select Committee says MPs should amend the EA to
“remove exemptions, such as access to single-sex spaces”
Jan 2016
Women & Equalities Committee says EA should be amended so that

“occupational requirements provision and / or the single-sex / separate services provision shall not apply”.

July 2016
Govt response to W&E Committee says: “we agree with the principle of this recommendation” on EA exemptions and seeks evidence for “future policy discussions”

July 2017
Govt promises GRA reform “ as part of a broad consultation of the legal system that underpins gender transition.”

July 2017
Stonewall commits to “advocate for the removal” of EA provisions allowing sex-based discrimination.

June 2018
Govt says:

“We are clear that we have no intention of amending the Equality Act 2010, the legislation that allows for single sex spaces.”
In sum: MPs and others told govt to amend/remove Equality Act single-sex exemptions. Govt considered doing so. Then govt ruled it out. / ends"

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KatVonGulag · 02/10/2018 17:33

Really interesting video by Ann and Venice. I didn't realise that about gender reassignment. That's been really hijacked.

GreenGloves · 02/10/2018 23:21

*"You might get someone, especially after a few beers or something, saying a woman who, maybe she's got short hair or is a butch lesbian or has Polycystic ovary syndrome and doesn't look womanly enough and he goes and thumps her, that's happened before."

SB is implying that men stand outside women's toilets and decided who is womanly enough to go in? Wtf?

Also thank you Ann Wine

bd67th · 03/10/2018 17:31

and doesn't look womanly enough and he goes and thumps her, that's happened before."

Citation needed, Sarah. We can provide evidence that some transwomen are a hazard to natal women. What's your evidence that men are hitting butch lesbian or women with PCOS who try to use the loo? And, even if they are, this is the fault of the violent men, not the women who want to keep violent males out of the women's loos. It's one of TheBewilderness rules of patriarchy that "women are responsible for men's actions". We see your misogyny, Sarah.

SB is implying that men stand outside women's toilets and decided who is womanly enough to go in? Wtf?

  1. Unlikely.
  2. If they do, how is it our fault? Rules of misogyny again.
  3. If anyone male can get a GRC and hence get carte blanche to enter women's loos and changing rooms, I foresee fathers taking violent action against anyone male following their DDs into the loo/changing room because they will no longer trust the GRC process to screen out insincere applicants. This will increase the risk of male violence for current GRC holders like Sarah Brown (it's public knowledge from Ms Brown, MNHQ).
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