Girlguiding Issue coming up Good Morning Britain

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About to be discussed 7.40am. Suzzanah Reeves & Piers Morgan

Wow, never thought I'd be applauding Piers Morgan !

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I wondered that too.

It seems like a 'politician's answer'

It may be that the questions need to be re-worded!

I suspect they haven't taken advice from them as a private individual but at least one will have given advice as a representative of stonewall or another trans advocacy group.

It would benefit GG if they named the people who advised them on their trans inclusion policy. It would certainly help many parents and girl guides.

AC is fucking trolling with that tweet

It would benefit GG if they named the people who advised them on their trans inclusion policy. It would certainly help many parents and girl guides.

They are saying Stonewall and Gendered Intelligence.

And they've paid for it and they are going to bloody well stand by it!

Yeah, GG insist they did not take advice from any individual. I wonder how that works. Last time I checked, organizations like stonewall were organizationd made up from individuals. Or did they take advice from the stonewall copy machine? This is just silly.

They are saying Stonewall and Gendered Intelligence.

GG needs to say whether they bought an untailored 'basic, off-the-shelf' policy which nobody stands behind or if they bought a policy that was tailored for them and who was consulted for it - both from Stonewall and Gendered Intelligence.

Everyone keep pushing. This is crumbling just like the Greens crumbled.

Nobody wants their daughter to come back from a guide camp either pregnant or with an STD - from consensual sex or assault.

Nobody wants a self-ID male person advising their daughter with her period problems while on a guide camp.

And all the other stuff about this policy. Nobody wants it aside from dodgy men and the pomo-addled fools at the top of the organisation.

They also may have conversed with them in informal situations / taken advice but that is not formally recorded / was not during official policy formation meetings.

I think the wording is odd.

Aimee is trolling now surely. How many women have adult baby fetishes? I mean apart from being paid / persuaded to change them and stuff. Women are just nowhere near as interested in this shit. We don't have time for it literally or figuratively. Obviously this is not a good association for GG.

If you put your sexual predilictions online and you are pervy as all fuck and in groups with bunches of other pervy weirdos then you shuldn't be surprised when the mums of a bunch of girl guides and brownies say ERM nope way to the nope.

I DGAF about kink shaming. Not kink shaming is so last year. I am bang into it now.

Yeah, with my PR head on I am shaking my head.

I'm also thinking that providing we don't become a society where girl/boy/male/female have no meaning, this will be a case study on how NOT to handle things.

Everyone keep pushing. This is crumbling just like the Greens crumbled

This entirely!!

AC is fucking trolling with that tweet

Quite possibly. Also doing our work for us. Look at the people associating themselves with you, Girl Guides. Look at them. If you think parents won't remove their children in droves, you're in fantasy land.

Option 1:
Try to get avenues for the DCs of the world into GG
Option 2:
If that fails, pull the whole thing down (as TRA are MRA as well... If they won't share with us, they can't have it either)

The good thing is that when yer man on the Clapham omnibus hears about this stuff in simple terms ("the GG allows teenaged boys to share sleeping accomodation with teenaged girls and their parents are not made aware that this is happening"), they don't like it and will object. When it's all obscured by flowery nonsense language about transgirls (who many would assume to be girls who identify as boys) and gender non-binary, yer man tends to switch off and not really hear what is happening (which is, of course, part of the point of TRAs using word salad)

I've persuaded my friend to contact the GG to ask them what is happening, as surely it can't be the case that boys and girls are sharing facilities? She will send me their response (in 5 working days, they say) and has agreed I can post it here.

Yup, Lang, support from a Challenor is exactly (not) what the Guides need right now.

Dracula in charge of a blood bank...

Not kink shaming is so last year. I am bang into it now.

I'm "Don't startle the horses" but I am rethinking this because of the link between an increased number of paraphilias and repeated offending.

Academic studies also suggest a higher than average prevalence of activities such as cross-dressing amongst sex offenders. There is not much research on the subject but one study that evaluated the incidence in the general population found that nearly 3% of males reported sexual arousal from cross-dressing. The incidence of transvestism in sexual offenders, however, has been found to be very much higher. In a study of over 500 sex offenders, it was observed that over half exhibited transsexualism and/or cross-dressing as their primary paraphilia. Paraphilias are atypical sexual interests in objects, situations, or individuals. Repeat offending is more likely among sex offenders who have paraphilias (see study here). Among serious sadistic offenders, transvestism and fetishism are strongly represented (studies here and here) Quoted from 3 b ii) fairplayforwomen.com/3781-2/

If the GG are now trying to deny the involvement of trans advisory figures who have had dodgy stuff come to light, (one of whom seems happily waving the association in people's faces, which must be making the GG want to hide under the table) then they're sunk. They're done.

They've admitted, people with these backgrounds advising on child safeguarding is shocking and indefensible. The agenda is sunk.

Anyone heard the thunder from Westminster yet as MPs start dashing to safer ground?

This is from earlier in the thread:
VickyEadie no children are never inherently abusive we make them like that they are often victims of neglect and trauma or exposed to a society where sexualisation is becoming the norm I you wish to address abusive young poeple then I would start there.

I think an important point here, is that one of the ways society enables male-bodied people to become abusive towards female-bodied people, is precisely by teaching the latter group that they are obliged to overcome their own boundaries.

When we teach children of both sexes, that girl’s having boundaries is morally wrong, we socialise male-bodied people to behave with entitlement towards women and girls, and we are enforcing the belief that women and girls are beholden to males.

I'm "Don't startle the horses" but I am rethinking this because of the link between an increased number of paraphilias and repeated offending.

Yep. That study linked to says that only 10% of sex offenders have just one paraphilia. The majority have three or more...

... which puts David Challenor's crossdressing, adult baby, furry business right into context, doesn't it?

Yep but anyway.

If a person reveals publically that he gets his kicks by pretending to be a baby and putting a nappy on then

A He deserves to have the piss ripped out of him by all and sundry
B Shouldn't be surprised when people say that person is a creepy perve and take whatever related action they see fit in terms of having them babysit etc

"VickyEadie no children are never inherently abusive we make them like that they are often victims of neglect and trauma or exposed to a society where sexualisation is becoming the norm I you wish to address abusive young poeple then I would start there."

Yes I didn't get that really. All sounds nice and kind and lovely

But from the point of view of women and girls who are victims of sexual violence

It's a big "so what"?

This idea that we are supposed to be sympathetic to men and boys who commit sex crimes as they may have had difficult childhoods?

I mean yes look into it as a preventative measure for the future and stopping abuse is good

BUT the placement of it on a thread about potential / actual victims is crass.

No children are never inherently abusive we make them like that they are often victims of neglect and trauma or exposed to a society where sexualisation is becoming the norm I you wish to address abusive young poeple then I would start there.

And when all is said and done, adult paedosadists like Challenor will have been identified as the true, ultimate victims and winners of the Oppression Olympics...

the news that the EHRC have informed GG that they need to make it clear they are now mixed sex is huge news

I did a little happy dance when I read that info!