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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

#adulthumanfemale

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VodkaRevelation · 23/09/2018 08:50

Sorry if there is already a thread about this twitter hashtag which seems to have developed in response to the billboard.

There’s someone arguing the definition includes those who were ‘wrongly’ assigned male at birth using the Wikipedia definition of woman as supporting evidence.

Loads of posts saying I was born male but grew to be a woman. I am an #adulthumanfemale

(There’s one great post from a trans man who says accepting their brith sex was key to accepting themselves as trans.)

It’s just baffling. Open and brazen re-writing of language to mean something else.it doesn’t make any sense. X means this (oh and also this, even though it doesn’t fit at all with that first bit of the definition.)

I feel really riled up. I don’t fit their definition of woman. If people born male at birth can also be a woman then women don’t exist. Erasure. Trans women are trans women. I support their right to be and exist and be treated fairly. Women are women.

I am a woman. I have a vagina, I menstruated, I writhed in physical and emotional agony when I miscarried my second baby, I carried two children and bore them, my breasts made milk to feed them, I get treated differently to men because of my physical sex. Not all women experience those things but those things can only be experienced by a woman. They are key to my experience of being a woman.

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SpeckledDot · 23/09/2018 08:52

They need to be ignored. They feed on attention and love winding people up.

HandsOffMyRights · 23/09/2018 09:04

I couldn't agree more Vodka, which is why it rankles when men who say they feel like women, claim to have periods and the menopause.

They are shouting so loudly because nobody believes it. Why is that?

Even a projection onto the Houses of Parliament won't work, because people can't change sex.

If people choose to believe something (in magic, pixies, whatever) then fine. Just don't expect others to agree to lie.

The phrase 'in your face' springs to mind. There's a lot of validation needed. A lot of egos to nurse. I won't pander to it.

When I was a teenager I demanded that everyone call me by a different name. My parents humoured me briefly, but told me how silly I was being.

Acquiescence is how we find ourselves being erased by this nonsense. Middle aged men really should know better.

BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 23/09/2018 09:11

yeah, my thought would be ignore

there's hardly any of these nutcases

they're yelling away on twitter to a really limited audience

anyone who meets them knows that they are men because humans are really good at determining sex

they can't change that and we can't change that

it makes them sad, but so what? lots of things make me sad and I manage to survive

so leave them to it I say

OvaHere · 23/09/2018 09:15

There was a thread yesterday. It was deleted for not being in the spirit of Mumsnet.

I would say men claiming the words adult human female as their own is not in the spirit of reality.

R0wantrees · 23/09/2018 09:17

There’s someone arguing the definition includes those who were ‘wrongly’ assigned male at birth using the Wikipedia definition of woman as supporting evidence.

Wikipedia has been used a great deal by some TRAs.

There was some really concerning shots of academics and others involved with politics stategising about how to best use wiki. I think they were on the thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3359116-The-Times-smear-campaign-by-trans-lecturer-at-Goldsmiths

MaisyPops · 23/09/2018 09:19

It strikes me that the TRAs will go to whatever lengths possible to shout at the masses trying to expect the Great British Public to pander to their egos, delusions and feels whilst also blocking anyone who might disagree with them because they want their echo chamber maintained.

Meanwhile there are perfectly lovely trans men and trans women who just want to get on with their lives and live their lives without erasing women and women's voices.

CosmicCanary · 23/09/2018 09:21

There was a thread yesterday. It was deleted for not being in the spirit of Mumsnet.

That was mine. I didnt use banned words I didnt name anyone or provide twitter links.
I did post 2 pictures however there were no identifying details.
I posted the pictures to show who these people are that are using the #.

Seems MNHQ would rather we suspend reality and common sense in favour of not upsetting male bodied people Angry

SpeckledDot · 23/09/2018 09:26

@CosmicCanary did you take photos of people off Twitter and post them on here without their permission? If so i can see why that would get your thread deleted

CosmicCanary · 23/09/2018 09:33

Speck the pictures are in the public domain already so no law has been broken. Plus MNHQ deleted the thread as is was deemed not in the spirit on MN so the picrures were not specified as the problem.

DuckingGoodPJs · 23/09/2018 09:36

I would say men claiming the words adult human female as their own is not in the spirit of reality.

Me too, Ova

longtimelurkingtrans · 23/09/2018 09:38

I honestly think this logan was a deliberate shot across your bows to wind you up, I honestly despair at some of the stuff I read from some sections of the trans crowd, Thankfully I've found likeminded ones on twitter to help preserve my sanity.

Didactylos · 23/09/2018 09:39

I reached peak autogynosmirk pretty quickly reading it
suspect many others will too

LangCleg · 23/09/2018 09:41

I think they've all used blocking tools for so long that they genuinely think only a couple of hundred witches women who post on Mumsnet are not on board with the brave and stunning narrative. In reality, it's everyone not in their bubble.

Let them have at it, is what I say. They're their own worst enemy.

Barracker · 23/09/2018 09:45

What I've always said us that they'll come after any and every word used to describe us, no matter how ludicrous or demonstrably inappropriate. The goal is to stop women differentiating themselves.

If we call ourselves menstruators, they'll follow, and already have. Transwomen get periods too.
If we call ourselves ovulators I give them a fortnight to follow suit.
I've seen them put XX in their profiles.

The goal is to prevent women from being recognised as different from them.

Fortunately more and more people are going wut? As they up the ante.

VodkaRevelation · 23/09/2018 09:46

Thanks @R0wantrees, I’ll check that link out.

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Onlyhappywhenitrains1 · 23/09/2018 09:49

If a man can identify as a female then female just means human who likes certain clothes/fashion, acts a certain way.

So how do I as the sort of human that has periods and has babies and a cervix and breasts etc, define myself as separate from the other humans.

I actually think some of the guys on twitter are taking the piss. They are full masculine guys with really cheap wigs on, they have got to be trolls on a whind up.

VodkaRevelation · 23/09/2018 09:50

@CosmicCanary, it’s so important that we are able to have a discussion using facts and truth - reality, as you say, and that we have a place to do it.

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VodkaRevelation · 23/09/2018 09:51

If a man can identify as a female then female just means human who likes certain clothes/fashion, acts a certain way.

It’s that old chestnut isn’t it? Conflation of sex and gender. #NOTthesamething

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CosmicCanary · 23/09/2018 09:51

Absolutly Vodka

hipsterfun · 23/09/2018 09:51

It’s quite a thing when we’re not allowed to point out that these individuals are what they are.

And at this point, I don’t think it’s on us to take the high ground.

VodkaRevelation · 23/09/2018 09:57

I’ve seen posts on twitter from trans women and women along the theme of Trans being a way to escape the binary system of gender. It isn’t though. It completely reinforces it. Men dressing ‘as women’ (hate that term, we’re not a homogenous mass of pink and stockings, make up and blow dries) and still accepting their biological reality would challenge the gender binary.

FWIW, I think gender is a load of bollocks (whilst also definitely being nothing to do with bollocks.)

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hipsterfun · 23/09/2018 10:00

My young DC aren’t buying this lot as adult human females; a reality-based position is the only way forward.

Delusion collusion for some and cognitive dissonance for everyone else isn’t going to make a better world.

HandsOffMyRights · 23/09/2018 10:02

I'm going to pop into Aldi or Lidl (remind me which one is on T*blocker?) today wearing a 'Man' T-shirt and see if I'm believed.

Maybe my large breasts will give the game away, my 5ft 1 frame? The way I walk. The lack of Adam's Apple.

I could try Man Friday stick on facial furniture to disguise my sex.

Either way I bet Josephine public won't believe me or humour me.

The real world is a big place and I can't hoodwink society just because I stamp my feet and demand that they listen to me.

Floisme · 23/09/2018 10:05

I honestly think we spend too much time on here getting wound up about a few knobheads on Twitter.

Sorry if I sound unsympathetic. I do follow a few GC tweeters and it can be s good way of getting news that the mainstream media doesn’t publish. But it’s also a windup merchant’s paradise and I think threads like this are exactly what they want,

R0wantrees · 23/09/2018 10:08

I’ve seen posts on twitter from trans women and women along the theme of Trans being a way to escape the binary system of gender

Part of the Queer theory ideology is the attempt to 'smash the binary'

See 'Everyday Cissexism' for this:
twitter.com/CissexismDaily?lang=en

'Documenting everyday cissexism and transphobia.'