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Man in Dress listed as Top 100 FEMALE Executives

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CharlieWork · 20/09/2018 21:19

Aaaaaaaarrrggghhhh.

Looks like his maleness was has worked for him and he gets to be recognised as a top female too.

Just why?

Man in Dress listed as Top 100 FEMALE Executives
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Handsoffmyrights · 21/09/2018 07:07

Crackpots However did you guess?

Legitimate qs about sex and inclusivity of WOMEN.

How we jested at the time that this might go to a male.

CrackpotsArePots · 21/09/2018 07:08

It's extraordinary how gob smackingly unreasonable this all is.

My letter writing is off the chart. I'm identifying as that bloke who writes to the Times very week

SophoclesTheFox · 21/09/2018 07:10

I move in very similar diversity in the city circles to Phil. It's only a matter of time.

I think I will go for "feigned bemusement edging imperceptibly into rude".

If he's IT in capital markets he's unlikely to be client facing. Can you imagine? No way. Diversity is all well and good up to a point in investment banking, but it's really there to look good in the annual report and to get the stonewall logo on the website. The second it threatens to get in the way of making money, it's dead in the water.

OrchidInTheSun · 21/09/2018 07:19

That quote: ‘To me it’s synonymous to how a lady may choose to wear a dress, heels and makeup one day yet trousers, flats and no makeup another — these are just internal preferences of how we choose to express at any given time.’

effectively excludes women from being in this mysterious '3rd gender' category doesn't it? No one thinks I'm a bloke when I wear trousers to work. Maybe if I wore an actual men's suit and said my name was Joe some days?

OvaHere · 21/09/2018 07:33

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Datun · 21/09/2018 07:37

Phillip is gender fluid. Doesn't claim to be trans. And uses the ladies on lady day and the men's on men's day.

But according to this Twitter comment, from April, who is a software engineer with an anime cartoon as their profile picture, gender fluidity is

The actual medical condition (which) involves different halves of the brain being differently sexed, and then flipflopping hemisphere dominance. Which is why people like him experience such off and on dysphoria and symptoms. Doesn't make him a woman nor trans.

Philip himself doesn't flip-flop when it comes to criticising actual women

it's lovely yo know that there are such lovely and supportive folk out there as opposed to sad TERFS - you are all such an asset to society xxxx

AsAProfessionalFekko · 21/09/2018 07:38

I wonder what grayson Perry has to say? I get the impression he wouldn't be all that on board.

Does bunce have different characters for he/she? A different voice and physical characteristics? Sounds like a MPD to me.

Elephantinacravat · 21/09/2018 07:41

The fact that Phil dismisses anyone who wants to spoil his 'taking away awards from women in business' fun by actually saying that they disagree with it, as a 'sad TERF', really does show what kind of a man he is. He literally doesn't give a fuck about women. And the fact that he is so open and brazen about it shows how untouchable he thinks he is a well.

GoldenWonderwall · 21/09/2018 07:41

I wear my husbands t shirts to the gym. I’m looking forward to my award from Men’s Health magazine’s in their 100 top fittest men category and the many speaking opportunities I will be provided as I bravely push the boundaries of what it is to be a man at the gym. I mean, I might have more men’s t shirts than my husband or son and y’know it’s totally a bloke thing. I’m sure the man in place 101 who’s an athlete or fitness professional will understand why someone like me took his place. There’s always some compulsory training in diversity if not (gruff Brian Blessed laugh).

SunnyintheSun · 21/09/2018 07:44

Seriously bad press for Credit Swiss that they have supported him on Twitter - CS director openly calls GC ‘sad TERFs’. Which woman will want to work for them now??

Datun · 21/09/2018 07:45

ShirleyPhallus

I’ve just looked on LinkedIn at this post and loads of people congratulating him

How can women be ok with this? confused

Having seen the way some women fawn over men like this. There is no way they think they're actually women, the fawning is far too pronounced.

My theory is that they are so used to being considered second-class, worthless, etc, that they see this aping of womanhood as affirmation and complimentary.

It's such a novel experience to have a man be interested in, and appreciative of, their 'womanliness', albeit the superficial, that it's encouraged.

I imagine it's mostly younger women, for whom the actual impact of 'womanliness' has not yet sunk in.

ChiaraRimini · 21/09/2018 07:47

This is such pants. wears dress, make up and hells=woman. So every day that a woman wears jeans trainers and no make up she is actually being a man and is "gender fluid". We are all gender fluid by that definition.

Datun · 21/09/2018 07:55

Plus this from Debbie Hayton.

Hi Pips. Fair Play to you. You have pushed back the boundaries that society places on gender expression.

But is it wise to accept places designed to promote women who battle for recognition in a sexist world?

Talk about hedging your bets.

It's not fair play. It's the opposite of fair play. And it's not pushing any boundaries. It's reinforcing them.

These people genuinely do not understand.

Debbie can see how men should not be taking female awards, particularly transvestites. Not even pretending to play the DoubleSpeak.

But still doesn't understand that Philip Bunce is shoving women into the smallest boxes imaginable. Confining them to ever smaller boundaries and being rewarded for it.

It's just being thick.

ShirleyPhallus · 21/09/2018 07:59

I absolutely love how the twitter comments on the Credit Suisse page have developed

As for pip calling anyone who disagrees TERFS - oh do fuck off hun yeah

TerfsUp · 21/09/2018 07:59

Sickening.

DrMumMum · 21/09/2018 08:04

Oh FFS, this stuff is starting to make me feel depressed. I may need to step away for a few days.

AsAProfessionalFekko · 21/09/2018 08:06

If u worked there if be doing work that would need photos and CVs. I dont think I'd last very long.

'Are you shitting me?'

CAAKE · 21/09/2018 08:06

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CAAKE · 21/09/2018 08:07

Link to Sandy's tweet, sorry - twitter.com/sandydrawsbadly/status/1042915114826063872?s=21

CrackpotsArePots · 21/09/2018 08:12

Shirley

Yes, good comments on the Twitter

Peaktranstastic

I say get Pips in from of the world as much as possible

More awards!

SophoclesTheFox · 21/09/2018 08:18

Indeed, let's see more of Pips Grin

If Pips got a seat on the board, but only counts towards the total of women on the board 50% of the time, how would CS reflect that in their diversity stats?

ChattyLion · 21/09/2018 08:20

To clarify, men and women wearing whatever, AOK.

The galling bit here is the insistence that wearing whatever you like to work:

A) must mean something, and automatically be a positive benefit to other people. IME- neither. I find it offensive that my male bodied colleague feels it professional to wear skimpy party clothes to our workplace and HR sees that as fine, given none of us women have that choice- so I think they’re insulting women. I find it scary and demeaning of my own privacy and dignity and that of my female colleagues, and highlighting of our female lack of power and respect at work, that I have to share my unadapted, female toliets at work with male-bodied colleagues just because they wear female clothes, wigs and make up.
b) breaks down gender stereotypes which is laughable when it’s entirely premised on them- ‘I’ve got more heels than my wife and daughter!’
c) somehow means P is ‘non-binary’ while enforcing a binary of stereotypes
c) that wearing a lot of make up, a wig and pink dresses to work makes P a woman Shock
d) somehow Pbgets to evade the screamingly obvious point that in the professional arena they is in, no woman could survive for 5 seconds if they ‘womaned’ in the way Pippa does. So Pippa’s rubbing their partywear in their faces as a blatant bit of power-play about all the ‘expression’ choices that they will never have if they want to be at senior level like Pippa or Phil. They must conform and wear female-coded drabs, P can do whatever he likes! And be feted for it!
E) that everyone else at work has to validate and be bit players in what would appear to be P’s AGP which is a sexual fetish, (i’m going to assume because Pippa is frequently referred to as a woman that Pippa gets to use the women’s toilets at her office. Funnily enough in this super enlightened inclusive workplace the toilet and changing room arrangements for women are not mentioned. That makes me a bit suspicious as to whether women make up 50% of the senior level workforce or if they feel they have an equal say in trivial things like eg their own toilet arrangements at work)
F) that P is co-opting the language of gay liberation, ie ‘come out’ which is a completely different struggle that he is not part of and is not contributing to
G) that he has so fucking little sense of irony (or acknowledgement of his own white, male, monied, SAHM-supported privilege) that he says it’s a ‘travesty’ (look up what that word means in the dictionary!!) for others not to be able to come out ‘as a [ed’s note- insert: ‘male sex fantasy stereotype version of a’] ‘woman’ in the workplace just like he has.

www.google.co.uk/search?q=travesty&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-gb&client=safari

In fact while they are at it- they look up what ‘woman’ actually means. Spoiler alert: It isn’t determined by what clothes you wear, sorry.

BTW if they is so enlightened and into diversity and inclusion they really should know that ‘TERF’ as a sexist term of abuse and never use it.

Furthermore they should know its no one else’s job to be happy for them (especially for taking a woman’s award, by virtue of wearing woman’s clothes...) and he must know that it comes over really narcissistic when he’s angry-tweeting sexist abuse because he’s not getting more praise?

ShirleyPhallus · 21/09/2018 08:20

People are also tweeting @creditsuisse asking them for their views on pip’s misogynistic language too

Great work

FloralCup · 21/09/2018 08:24

Does he have two different e-mail addresses at work? How would you know who to e-mail on a given day?
Perhaps all the women at CS should become gender fluid - adopt a new name for part of the week, ask for another e-mail account in the new name, complain to HR when the wrong pronoun is used.
I wonder how quickly inclusivity would become a nuisance to HR and IT departments.

MightyMike · 21/09/2018 08:25

Love a bit of sandydrawsbadly, especially referencing The Smiths :)

I know people say that this Pip business rarely happens as there are so few trans people.

But for the few trans women out there they sure do break women quotas and awards and firsts.

Here's another oppressed Trans Woman (straight, white & privileged) who got caught crossdressing by their colleague and so decided to be a woman rather than face the shame of being a boring everyday crossdresser.

He has taken from an actual woman, the prestige of being recognised as the first woman in the infantry allowed to do the same job as her male colleagues.

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