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Man in Dress listed as Top 100 FEMALE Executives

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CharlieWork · 20/09/2018 21:19

Aaaaaaaarrrggghhhh.

Looks like his maleness was has worked for him and he gets to be recognised as a top female too.

Just why?

Man in Dress listed as Top 100 FEMALE Executives
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FermatsTheorem · 21/09/2018 14:01

That picture! It's beyond parody. It is self-satire of the highest order. And Pips doesn't even realise it.

BreakfastAtSquiffanys · 21/09/2018 14:05

What do the natal women at Credit Suisse wear to work?
Do they all wear cocktail dresses, fishnets and perky hair embellishments?
I suspect not...

placemats · 21/09/2018 14:05

Phil is holding crystals, which he is laying down to help both Pippa and Phil find their way back to safety if they need to."

I'm reminded of this:

'It's more confusing than Hansel and Gretel'

Linda La Hughes, Gimme, Gimme, Gimme. Season One Episode 6.

SophoclesTheFox · 21/09/2018 14:06

What's the old saying about believing someone when they tell you who they are?

And it's not like I'm going through Pips bin or anything to muckrake - this is all publicly available and presumably it's stuff like this that is the basis for Pip's award for being such a top female exec?

The reason this gets up my goat so much is as I said upthread - Pips and I move in very similar circles and this shits on so much work that I and women I work with do.

And I won't be forced to say that I find it wonderful.

nauticant · 21/09/2018 14:07

How about stunning and brave?

hackmum · 21/09/2018 14:09

I'm so gobsmacked by this. Why can't everyone see how ridiculous it is? Why can't Credit Suisse see it? It's absurd. It's like a ludicrous, surreal Monty Python joke. Surely no one actually believes that this Pip person is a woman?

The only joy I take from this is how utterly pissed off India Willoughby is about it. The more that the so-called progressives realise that there's a deep division between traditional trans-sexuals and cross-dressers like Bunce, the better. And then they're going to have to choose whose side they're on, which is kind of hilarious. Do they side with India, and risk being called a TERF? Or do they side with the cross-dressers and risk the wrath of the Indias and Taras? Looking forward to watching Little OJ's head explode as he tries to work out which is the correct woke position.

Ereshkigal · 21/09/2018 14:12

I think they'll side with Bunce. Or the whole house of cards comes crashing down.

Ereshkigal · 21/09/2018 14:14

So far, when I've brought up Bunce, they say "yeah, but he isn't actually a trans woman or considered to be a woman". It will be interesting to see how they square this Grin

Needmoresleep · 21/09/2018 14:15

I wonder if Credit Suisse's IT department have worked out why there is a sudden peak of clicks onto MN today?

If they still have women's, rather than gender neutral, loos, I assume female bladders are weaker than normal.

Actually...what loos does Phil/Pip use?

placemats · 21/09/2018 14:17

What do the natal women at Credit Suisse wear to work?

Hope you don't mind.

I do agree with the rest of your post.

mirandayardley · 21/09/2018 14:24

That Bunce is a classic example of the male autogynephile really is central to a reasoned objection to what he's doing by allowing himself to be a part of this: ultimately he could have stood up and said 'thanks, but no thanks' of course instead this man calls women who disagree with him getting this award as 'sad TERFS'. As it stands, however, the very reason Pippa is what he is, is central to political analysis of why this is such an outrage.

This is exactly the problem that 'transgender inclusion' brings us, because this is a man who associates 'being a woman' with 'looking and feeling sexy'. This is not a personal attack, and it's not speculative, this is an opinion based upon observable facts and the reality within which we find ourselves, that wealthy heterosexuals like Bunce are being centred in a women's award shortlist, talking over and being promoted over women is carbon-copied into the LGBT movement leading to the wholesale erasure of lesbians and lesbian spaces and an attack on women and their boundaries.

LGBT now involves vast amounts of money and part of the reason for this is men like Bunce. It is this money, from the banks and massive international organisations as well as money raised for the benefit of children's charities that is being diverted to support the myth that men can become women, that transgender identity is innate and by filtering it through organisations like Mermaids, GIRES and Gendred Intelligence this has become the most dangerous attack on the rights and welfare of pre-homosexual and gender non-conforming children since forever.

In fact, the unquestioned transing of children and especially young girls by groups like Mermaids, GIRES an GI is probably the greatest attack on the safety and welfare of infant children since King Herod.

One of the biggest changes in the trans community since I came out in the early 1990s is the willingness, indeed encouragement, for occasional cross-dressing transvestites to claim, on some kind of level, to have a claim to some kind of womanhood. These a men, who invariably are a type of heterosexual man displaying autogynephilic sexual orientation (which competes with the heterosexual orientation) just like Pippa confuse 'feeling sexy' with 'feeling like a woman'.

It doesn't take much imagination to interpret Pippa's appearance, indeed his reasoning for his 'gender variance', as a real life display of Pippa becoming the woman he loves. And I think that this is so central to his identity, and presentation, and of course what his colleagues have to endure (imagine being a woman on his team who objects to him claiming to be a woman on the basis of his 'dressed like an explosion in Ann Summers' (c) Lisa Muggeridge now under the threat of being called a 'sad TERF', there goes your career).

Bunce and is sexualisation of womanhood stands for and embodies the sexism and the fetishisation of women and is reinforcing the most damaging misogynist stereotypes of what it is to be an actual woman especially within the industry he commands such a position within, an industry which imposes such demanding dress codes upon women. He does nothing to challenge this, or the male domination within his or any other industry.

For women in finance and any other male-dominated industry, Bunce is the enemy.

GenerationEx · 21/09/2018 14:24

When I did a brief stint at CS I wore trousers and flat shoes but for some reason it never opted me out of being a woman. It seems to work the other way though....

LemonJello · 21/09/2018 14:26

The necklace placement in that photo 😂👌

OrchidInTheSun · 21/09/2018 14:32

I would absolutely love to talk to Pips' wife.

These are the things that have impacted my career as a woman:

  • being sexually harassed/assaulted by senior men
  • being in my 30s and not having children (potential to have them at any moment)
  • being in my 30s and having children (potential to down tools at any moment)
  • pregnancy
  • miscarriage.

Apart from the last one, those are not things that will ever or could ever impact Pips' career. Pips knows absolutely sweet FA about being a woman in the workplace because Pips is a man.

placemats · 21/09/2018 14:32

Great post Miranda. It's always good to get your perspective on this.

Ereshkigal · 21/09/2018 14:32

I'd love to send her a link to the Trans Widows.

Howcansanepeoplesaynothing · 21/09/2018 14:34

Long, long time lurker delurking with new account as I would lose my job for saying this. I work in Banking. Reasonably senior. The firm I’m at has our own poster person they point to in demonstration of our diversity and inclusion. Because, let’s face it, adding trans surgery to insurance coverage, for what would only ever be a handful of people, is significantly cheaper than giving all female staff the 30% increase they’d need to close our gender pay gap.

These industry awards are all done on back room deals. The CS corporate communications team will have written the nomination, in partnership with their marketing teams. CS is a major advertiser with the FT, who run the awards. And so it goes.

It would be interesting if CS pulled Pips into their female numbers when they calculated their gender pay gap. One way of bringing up the averages I suppose.

Sad and shabby and depressingly more frequent

Melamin · 21/09/2018 14:42

It would be interesting if CS pulled Pips into their female numbers when they calculated their gender pay gap. One way of bringing up the averages I suppose.

The statistics again.

bigKiteFlying · 21/09/2018 14:44

I think it a deliberate insult to women and events and awards the try to recognise women’s contributions.

I suspect someone thinking they've been really clever showing up how unfair it is women get such awards - completely ignoring structural impediments women face. Along the line of all the women day comments.

I'd also be wonder how bad it is to be a woman working forCredit Suisse - but then I worked as a software engineer and got fed up of the shit thrown at me for being a bloody woman.

FermatsTheorem · 21/09/2018 14:45

Howcansanepeople - do you ever read the Alex cartoons in the Telegraph? I'm sure Stephanie is drawn from life, as are the reactions of the people round him/her.

Howcansanepeoplesaynothing · 21/09/2018 14:48

Quotes below from the CS submission to HMT for the Women in Finance Charter

They think they are ambitious in pushing for 35% female representation in their UK exec committees and the management later directly beneath that by 2020. Maybe 100 people in total, with no comment on gender representation throughout the firm, or in the revenue generating areas, which of course are better paid. No comment on what they consider a female, for that matter

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/738708/Women_in_Finance_Charter_List_of_Signatories_August_2018.pdf

Credit Suisse first signed the Women in Finance Charter in June 2016. Together with over 160 other financial services organizations in the UK, we have pledged to support the progression of women into senior roles across the UK Legal Entities.

The Executive Committees of the UK Legal Entities, and the leadership teams of each respective Executive Committee member, will aim for a minimum of 35% female representation by 2020. As of January 2018, we exceed this target for our Senior Executive Committee and for the majority of our other executive committees; we believe we are on track for our overall target for 2020.

Howcansanepeoplesaynothing · 21/09/2018 14:54

Hi FermatsTheorem (ooh I’m all aflutter that you’ve said hello to me). I don’t read the Telegraph but will check out the Alex cartoons, thank you. Candidly, no one could make up some of the BS and lunacy in this industry.

PotteryGirl · 21/09/2018 14:57

That should read..He IS a man who spends half of his time dressing like a woman..That’s fair enough, whatever floats your boat BUT you aren’t actually a woman so you can’t actually be one of the top women executives..actually Phil. I am so sick of the way this crap has become so mainstream that everyone acknowledges Phil as a woman...

How do we stop this...?

CrackpotsArePots · 21/09/2018 15:14

Thanks miranda

Great post

Anlaf · 21/09/2018 15:21

Welcome delurkers Generation and howcan!

I know a number of the women in the top 99 and they are just bloody super - and have absolutely battled their way through the wall of shit that's faced them as women in financial services.

But as Phil Bunce until recently, Pips has had none of that.

A v senior man in the industry said something to me recently that I can't yet bear to type - and he's just one of the many harassers and diminishers I've met along the way.

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