Man in Dress listed as Top 100 FEMALE Executives

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Aaaaaaaarrrggghhhh.

Looks like his maleness was has worked for him and he gets to be recognised as a top female too.

Just why?

Men just hate having women in what they perceive to be their own spaces.

I was talking today with a friend about how some men don't recognise women as the same species, just as objects. I think I can rest my case now.

Yes, so true.

Datun. To your statement earlier, “They can't even answer what initiatives there are for actual women and the problems they face”

There is 0 interest in the industry in the problems women face. The problems are known and reality is, remediating them would impact either the bottom line or disrupt existing arrangements that work just fine for the decision takers so status quo remains.

I cannot think of a single priority in this industry in the last 20 years that has not been planned for, executed and delivered. Or quietly parked. If they wanted gender inequality in the industry fixed, it would be done over a 5 year period. It has not been done. It follows, it has been quietly parked. And all the noise about Pips, masks the silence on actual inequality.

Placing here for reference - the credit suisse guide to Trans*
outleadership.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/Transgender_Guide.pdf

Featuring that bloody genderbread-person.

And hai women, enjoy your cis-privilege:

Do you have both male and female cross dressers?
Yes. The Fundamental Rights Agency assessment across all European Union states sums this up nicely: “If a woman adopts men’s clothing, behaviour, expressions, and a general male attitude towards life including for example wearing a trouser suit, she is not criticised and this is how it should be and it is accepted behaviour. If she wears feminine clothes such as a dress and heels one day and typically male costumes (trouser suit and fl ats) the next, nobody will even raise an eyebrow.This fortunately is the result of years of various movements in society giving women this right to wear and behave as they wish. Men by contrast, desiring to wear feminine clothes and exhibit certain feminine behaviour would in many places receive negativity should they wish to wear male clothes one day and a dress and heels the next.”
Why is society so tolerant of one and yet discriminating towards the other when these are identical scenarios? It should therefore give us pause for refl ection why women and men don’t both enjoy the same freedom of expression though their clothes and behaviour.

Emphasis mine.

a general male attitude towards life?

REGRESSIVE SEXIST STEREOTYPE KLAXON!

Please, please, please DO tell me again how this doesn't reinforce the most traditional and constricting stereotypes!

Jesus Christ on a bendy bus.

The firm I’m at has our own poster person they point to in demonstration of our diversity and inclusion.

See, I wouldn't mind if it was representative of LGBT, which in fact Bunce is. He even says so.

But NOT representing women.

He's representing both. He is ticking both diversity boxes.

When in fact, he is ticking none. I don't have a big enough expletive for this man.

Thanks for the info How. No wonder you're delurking. I imagine you're hopping mad !

Men support and normalise men's behaviour - no matter what it is- look how Trump, Weinstein etc are protected by their mates even though they have many women speaking out about sexual assault by them etc.

Entitled men don't want women to be treated equitably- actually quite the opposite - it's no accident but by design - watch where their money and accolades go if anyone has any doubt.

It should therefore give us pause for refl ection why women and men don’t both enjoy the same freedom of expression though their clothes and behaviour.

Do these idiots honestly think that the reason why men don't wear women's clothes is because they have less freedom?

And not because people will rip the piss out of them because being a woman is so risible.

And now you've got a super, uber type of man who can wear women's clothes, but has to insist it's because he's got a woman's brain, otherwise he too will be seen as punching down.

And the irony of all this is that every other cross dresser in his company (and I'm sure there are quite a few), will totally recognise what he's doing and be filled with admiration.

I also notice from another website, that Bunce is one of three transwomen in that top hundred.

I don’t use the men’s toilets, have a different name or insist on different pronouns on the days I wear trousers.

Anlaf, is that my cos privilege do you think? That I can look like a girly fifties pin up one day, and Leonardo DiCaprio the next?

Men by contrast, desiring to wear feminine clothes and exhibit certain feminine behaviour would in many places receive negativity should they wish to wear male clothes one day and a dress and heels the next.”
Why is society so tolerant of one and yet discriminating towards the other when these are identical scenarios?

Everything in the statement above is a perfectly valid criticism of society although I disagree that women are not policed for dress and behaviour even if we do sometimes wear trousers.

However none of it makes a male become female.

Cis privilege, of course. My autocorrect is not woke.

Women are made a mockery of and then shut down when they voice their rage at the unrelenting humiliation and belittling.

Really wake up and stop waiting for NPD/entitled men to change and give something up for the greater good - they won't. Set up women-led businesses and challenge the fuckers.

Cos privilege is something quite different, floral - it's to do with the ability to throw together a really good salad

Brilliant responses on both twitter and Facebook... Peaktransing many I'm sure.

Floral if it was cos privilege we'd look either like a Danish architect or a feminist gulag lifer, depending on which Cos dress we'd picked out

But isn't that bonkers! To be jealous of women's freedom to wear men's clothes. And not to understand that men generally don't wear women's clothes because they would be humiliated, by wearing the clothes of the humiliated people.

Cos privilege - people who can afford Cos without waiting for the sale...( or scouring eBay!)

oops - late to the party.

Cross post with soph

There are just too many puns to be made!

Excellent, informative (and at times very funny) thread.

The Credit Suisse twatter thread is an absolute car crash. It is people like Bunce that increasingly alert others as to how awful and offensive this is for women. And being on the same side as IW as well !

I have to laugh as otherwise I just weep at what is happening to women and children

My firm had an absolute conniption when we drastically dropped down the Stonewall ranking one year. That kicked off a 12 month programme to improve our LGBTQ creds. All done in consultation with Stonewall. Work that had been done with other networks, that would normally be nominated for industry awards, was deprioritised. Only LGBTQ work was nominated for industry awards as the firm wanted to keep our powder dry with the sponsors and awards circus. The response to a slipped LGBTQ ranking, which impacts a small minority of colleagues, when compared to transparent inequality for half of their colleague base is striking, no? You’ve got to hand it to Stonewall, they marshall their troops.

Women make up 50% of firm employees, though presence in lower paid/ lower responsibility roles is disproportionate. But women don’t have a Stonewall equivalent.

The closest thing is some Mother and Baby mag ranking, which sets a very low bar. They’ll check that the firm allows flexible working, but not look at how a career and compensation are stagnant or even in retreat if a woman has the temerity to actually apply for flexible working (as opposed to feeling “supported” just knowing it’s an option. Feels)

I don’t use the men’s toilets, have a different name or insist on different pronouns on the days I wear trousers.

That's where we've been going about it wrong, Besmirching

Next time a meeting's not going my way, I plan to smack a meaty fist on the conference room table and bellow my demands. And with one eye each on my hobbs trouser suit and a copy of the Credit Suisse trans* guide, everyone in the room will bow to my manly authority and break into spontaneous applause