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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

If I argue transwomen are men is this an extremist position?

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DJLippy · 20/09/2018 00:08

In my opinion this should not be viewed as an extremist position.

I think there is a humane argument to be made for this.

For example. I want transwomen to be protected from violence and prejudice but I think the best way forward is by recognising transowmen are still male. You can play with words but at the end of the day - saying transwomen are male - what you mean is the same. Let's be honest and stake our ground.

I don't know if the TW I am sharing an intimate space with has a diagnosis of gender dysphoria. I don't know if they have a penis. I don't know how I am supposed to tell the difference between a male with bad intentions or a transexual who just wants to pee in peace. I can't inspect genitals. I can't ask to see a GRC.

I actually think the demand to remove your genitals to gain entry into the club male/female club is barbaric.

Can we make a more human argument from such a position? The idea that some male born people can be considered women but some male born people cannot seems so difficult to manage. Who decides that? What criteria do they use? How are women supposed to tell the difference between 'good' and 'bad' trans.

I am not being goady. I genuinely want to hear what people have to say please take this post with the good intention it was intended.

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womanformallyknownaswoman · 22/09/2018 15:43

I find it hard to argue biology with the many men that don't recognise women as the same human species. How do they justify those men who only see men, only support men and who treat women as lesser than and not as deserving as plus ignore women's cries of distress at the systemic subjugation they experience? There are so many ways to belittle and humiliate women and some men genuinely get off on that. Why would I think they talk any sense at all?

juneau · 23/09/2018 08:41

Trans women are 1.8 times as violent as cis men

This honestly doesn't surprise me. Imagine have all the natural testosterone that a man has and then adding all the oestrogen and progesterone that a woman has via pills or injections or whatever. The person would be a steaming cocktail of hormones! It's bad enough having your own sex's hormones zooming around in your blood - imagine having both!!!

AsAProfessionalFekko · 23/09/2018 08:46

And with the imaginary PMT...

JellySlice · 23/09/2018 09:02

Trans women are 1.8 times as violent as cis men

Or perhaps it's because raging, entitled narcissistic personality traits are over-represented within that group.

NB Carefully worded so as not to imply that all TW are like that. Especially as those that aren't are being thrown under the bus by those that are.

AsAProfessionalFekko · 23/09/2018 09:05

And the violence does seem to follow male patterns - beating up bouncers or raping women (from newspaper reports).

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