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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Transman gives birth - wants to be father/parent

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OhHolyJesus · 19/09/2018 15:11

Ok so this trans stuff is really starting to piss me off. Men competing in female sports, the whole toilet/changing room debate and most recently the selfish ones who say they need a mastectomy more than cancer patients (who happen to be women).

This one though, this one - somehow it's made me think about mothers and why it matters - why can't this transman be registered legally as a mother and call himself a father or parent in all other ways?

I mean he was born a woman!

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OhHolyJesus · 21/09/2018 07:47

@R0wantrees yes I've noticed that too - in that programme at the end Dorian said "well they better" change the law (Y'know just for him) so they can retrospectively amend their gender on the BC.

For someone who has been living as a man for 5 years he looked like a she to me. I'm fascinated by what changes he had made in that time to become more male and whether they are both married as a woman on their marriage certificate or as men.

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OlennasWimple · 21/09/2018 16:47

Well I want the law to be changed to require all libraries to be open for 24 hours a day, seven days a week and the stock list to be approved by me and my DC. Which would not be the most selfish or harmful thing in the world, but it aint' gonna happen, however much I complain in a documentary Hmm

nicenewdusters · 21/09/2018 17:23

I've often read that it's too triggering for transmen to menstruate, go through puberty, because they do not identify with the female body they inhabit. So I'm surprised a transman managed to contemplate and complete a pregnancy. But then having your cake and eating it was always popular.

MaisyPops · 21/09/2018 17:53

nicenewdusters
I would imagine that a trans man with genuine dysphoria would find anything linked to their biologically female anatomy quite distressing. I also can't imagine those transmen going through pregnancy.

All situations like this highlight is that there are perfectly genuine trans people who experience dysphoria and transition to alleviate their dysphoria and then there is a 2nd group who are all about their feels and play marginalised top trumps (with bonus points for silencing women). I fear the second group with their hateful TRA agenda are not only going to harm women's rights but make life considerably more difficult for the genuine trans people in group 1.

BrownPaperTeddy · 21/09/2018 19:57

Maybe not the place to ask but genuinely what does it "feel" like to be male or female?

I am female but I don't think I know what it feels like to be female. I feel like me. If I were male would I feel differently?

Or is it more to do with the physical appearance? More like, and I'm not trying to make light of this, but if I hated my nose pr ears?

How do I know that my physical body matches my identity? I really hope I haven't offended anyone. I just find it a strange concept. It's not like I can experience feeling like a man so that I can compare which one fits better and then this assumes that all men or all women would have the same "feel" doesn't it?

AngryAttackKittens · 21/09/2018 20:36

I think everyone's mental picture of what it feels like to be the opposite sex is part assumption, part fantasy, and part attempt to extrapolate based on observation. It's impossible to really know what it feels like to live in a body other than your own, in the same way that I can't really know what it feels like to be 6ft4 (but the differences between my experience and that of a man my own height are far more profound than the differences between my experience and that of a tall woman).

BrownPaperTeddy · 21/09/2018 21:22

I think it's an assumption to know what it's like to live in my own sex body tbh. I know what it feels like to be me. How much of that is the same or different to other women I have no idea or how much I have in common I have with men either.

This is probably my own lack of insight or imagination or something, I don't know.

I just don't ever think (to risk sounding like Shania Twain) that I feel like a woman. I feel like me.

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