Transman gives birth - wants to be father/parent

[OhHolyJesus]

Ok so this trans stuff is really starting to piss me off. Men competing in female sports, the whole toilet/changing room debate and most recently the selfish ones who say they need a mastectomy more than cancer patients (who happen to be women).

This one though, this one - somehow it's made me think about mothers and why it matters - why can't this transman be registered legally as a mother and call himself a father or parent in all other ways?

I mean he was born a woman!

I thought you were talking about the telly programme
"can I have a T please Bob"

The term I have seen being used in Twitter to replace “Mother” is “Gestational Parent”.

Mothercare are are going to be shocked when they hear they have to rebrand to avoid being transphobic. GeststionalParentCare isn’t quite as catchy.

Happy Gestational Parent Day !

Just doesn't have the same ring to it !

I watched a documentary on YouTube 2 'trans' women that looked like women but dressed like men and one was pregnant!! They were SOOO pissed of when the baby was born that 1- the woman that gave birth couldn't be put on the birth certificate as the father and that 2- the other none biological 'mother' wasn't aloud on the birth certificate as father #2. I just found it fu**ing hilarious TBH. If you carry a child YOU ARE A WOMAN!!! If you want to be a man you can't then pick and choose how you go about it by getting yourself pregnant !!!! Really irritates me and find it quite offensive to people who have fully transitioned and gone through the hardships of dealing with that !

take GI GI Gorgeous for example on YouTube she is a huge star in the trans world and has been for years I truly found her inspiration for the LGBT community, than not long ago came out with a video saying she still had her penis and had been actively trying to get her girlfriend pregnant by having sex with her? I just can't

Gestational Parent

Menstruator, ovulator, gestational parent...wow, almost like biology was important in some indefinable way.

Oh good, let's erase mothers.

it is quite horrifying living in these times.

Someone yep I saw that too. It was difficult to watch two such ridiculous and self-absorbed people.

Here it is. Be warned you'll need to warm up your eye-rolling and cats-bum-face muscles before watching this in case you strain something...

If you give birth, you go on the birth certificate as the mother. It's only in the case of surrogacy when that should be changed.
A mother can never be a father, it's absurd. It should be about the child, not the parent. Children have the right to know who their mother is.

Why wasn't the birth certificate issued after she had the baby?

Could have been worse. Imagine if Blockbusters was still around. Getting a Blockbusters card was way harder than a passport or a birth certificate.

It really was

Why is it so important? You can pretend you're a man in every other way. It's just pure narcissism. Poor kid. No one doesn't have a mother. Children who are adopted for instance have the right at 18 to find out about their biological parents and obviously what role they played. The state needs to stop indulging this fucking toxic nonsense.

Japan has taken measures to prevent this kind of situation. Not saying it is the right measure, but does consider any current and potential future children in someone’s decision to trans.

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/japan-transgender-people-sterilise-before-transition-gender-change-lgbt-rights-a8086341.html

The birth certificate is the property of the child, not the parent.

This is key. Why should the parent have the right to muck about with their child's birth certificate?

I'm so glad I no longer work as a midwife. It would take about five minutes for me to be sacked and sent to the gulag for re-education should I ever be presented with a pregnant trans-man.
I find the concept very sad, an insult to all pregnant women, mothers and women who can't get pregnant, an insult to biology and language. And I would be very concerned for the future wellbeing of the baby.

That BBC doc is the most eye-rolly thing I've ever seen.

Also, can anyone clarify re: these countries that require sterilisation as part of the process to change gender? In the case of a man, if he has surgery, that must render him sterile, what with having all the relevant parts removed. So does that mean only those who have surgery can legally change? A bit different for female to male as presumably they wouldn't immediately have surgery, however a few years of testosterone does the trick I believe, rendering the ovaries useless.

It’s important that the child can identify it’s correct family history, putting the birth mother down as the father complicates things should the child develop any genetic diseases etc. Besides, doesn’t the child have the right to know?

By which I mean, those seem like two very sweet, nice young people. What happened to get them to the point they're at now? Why is everyone around them colluding in it?

By which I mean, those seem like two very sweet, nice young people. What happened to get them to the point they're at now? Why is everyone around them colluding in it?

A touch of the Violet Elizabeth Botts?

If you give birth, you go on the birth certificate as the mother. It's only in the case of surrogacy when that should be changed

In the UK the surrogate mother goes on the birth certificate.

Re that couple in what possible way are either of them men?

If you are a father you get to choose whether to be there for the birth, mother permitting. Mothers don't.

Mothers aren't looking on feeling useless, pacing up and down in the corridor, having a crafty fag outside, or miles away entirely oblivious of the fact they have just become a parent with someone they barely knew.

It’s important that the child can identify it’s correct family history, putting the birth mother down as the father complicates things should the child develop any genetic diseases etc.

Quite. There are conditions you can inherit from the maternal side which aren't going to go away just because someone calls themself your father.

If you are a father you get to choose whether to be there for the birth, mother permitting. Mothers don't.

^^ Nailed it!

It's important, when explaining your relationship to your child, you choose the moment wisely.

This is not the way to do it:

Surrogacy erases women/mothers. In the US the intended parents get a court order naming them both on the birth certificate before the baby is born. It therefore gives them legal rights to claim the baby as theirs and stop the mother reneging on the contract.

So in the case of 2 men commissioning a surrogate there is never any legal record of that child’s mother (egg donor) or gestational host. Parents who use surrogacy are desperate to loosen the bonds between mother and child hence they introduce this degree of separation.

I'm wondering if there have been any instance if bio males demanding to be 'mother' on the birth cert?