Transphobic US senator was sex trafficker.

[DonnaBe]

He got 15 years. Is it enough?

deadstate.org/ex-gop-senator-who-voted-for-anti-trans-bathroom-bill-gets-15-years-for-child-sex-trafficking/

How do you know you’re a woman?

That’s exactly the point. I know I’m a woman.

Donna, your argument is not really an argument if your assertion collapses at the single word 'how'?

Is it, now?

You must know that.

I know your entire life has lead you to believe that, largely, women will do as you say. So this is probably all coming as a bit of a shock.

You may need to get used to that.

It's all very simple in the real world.

Women are adult human females. Female is a category of reproductive sex. Nothing more nothing less. There are no other types of women other than those that have female reproductive systems. Woman and female are synonymous. The only way to know that one is female is to know that one's body, one's material reality, one's biology is that of the female reproductive system. That is one has a reproductive system of the type that gestates and births human young. Fertility is irrelevant. Having had elements of that reproductive system surgically removed for medical reasons is irrelevant. The existence of intersex conditions does not change this, indeed it REINFORCES the above.

The end.

Frankly, as this thread demonstrates, sometimes we don't even have to see the face or body to figure out what sex someone is - the behavior and attitude is enough of a tell.

(But yes, if we have working eyeballs we can tell, and from a very young age. Dogs, horses, etc can also tell male humans from female humans. I know it's all very inconvenient, but such is life.)

For example. I just listened to a radio report about research into why so few women set up their own businesses compared to men.

This is an analysis of women as a category as understood as being female and therefore the category of humans that gestates and births babies.

One of the principal findings was (surprise surprise) that women, as a category, take time out of work to gestate, birth and care for babies. And this affects their careers.

Whodathunkit?

I find that report highly transphobic Beachcomber and hope that everyone involved in making it is sent to a Gulag pronto.

Criket what weird categorisation that radio station were using. Perhaps Donna could write to them to complain about their unusual and artificial way of categorizing people.

Crikey even.

Criket what weird categorisation that radio station were using. Perhaps Donna could write to them to complain about their unusual and artificial way of categorizing people.

I know, right? Not only that, it was clearly a deliberate attempt to exclude people.

They were excluding people who were able to set up businesses, due to not gestating, bearing and raising children.

Fuckers. It's so pointed. They should have included those people. Then they would have found out that human beings, as a group, on a given day, set up business at exactly the same rate as a human beings on another given day.

And we could all pack up and go home.

Fools.

Datun, that's the nub of it, really. I'm continually boggled by the wheedling suggestion that women and transwomen "work together against patriarchy" when the TRAs continually undermine any useful categorization that shows exactly how women are disadvantaged due to society being weighted in favour of the blokes.

It's almost like the transwomen think the women should just accept the plea to work together at face value and ignore the systemic advantage male bodied individuals enjoy. Like they don't give a shit about demolishing patriarchy at all.

Datun, that's the nub of it, really. I'm continually boggled by the wheedling suggestion that women and transwomen "work together against patriarchy"

Transactivism is the patriarchy.

Transactivism is the patriarchy.

It is. And they're not even hiding it.

Philip Bunce, a part-time cross dresser calls women terfs and bigots because they disagree with his award for being a top 100 woman in business.

He's the living epitome of my hypothetical example. Women get awards in business, nothing to see here.

Feminism is completely unnecessary.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3371515-Man-in-Dress-listed-as-Top-100-FEMALE-Executives

Yes the report, radio programme and presenter were massively transphobic.

Because what transphobic means, the vast majority of the time, is to focus on girls and women. Women's rights are transphobic, feminism is transphobic, women's bodies are transphobic, the very existence of girls and women is transphobic.

In the world according to trans, science, material reality and biology are transphobic. Safeguarding is transphobic. Homosexuality is transphobic. Transsexualism is transphobic. Reality is transphobic.

The only things which are seemingly not transphobic are po-mo, Queer Theory and an industrial medical complex which experiments on humans and makes money from those experiments (and which causes significantly more harm to women and children than it does to men).

In the world according to feminism, things look a little different. Transgender ideology (which is a branch of genderism) is transphobic. Because it declares that TWAW. Almost as though there is something inadequate or wrong with being a transwoman. And if that isn't transphobic I don't know what is.

And transgender ideology is also transphobic because it is a con. It is a house of cards. One big collection of contradictions, fictions and untruths. It has no substance. It is only a thought - a thought that one must try to hold onto in one's head in spite of its utter vacuity. A thought which others must hold in the heads lest the whole edifice disappears in a puff of smoke.

And we all know it. Which is why the OP says that they "know they are a woman" rather than saying "I am female".

It's all just smoke and mirrors. Much harm will be done by such an ideology but it will not endure.

I'm continually boggled by the wheedling suggestion that women and transwomen "work together against patriarchy"

I think many male transpeople who say this don't realise how misogynistic they are. They are so invested in their want and needs that they believe that its womens duty to support and actively work to achieve them.

They've redefined what it is to be a women in their heads and expect women to not only accept it, but to work to make it happen.

Saying 'lets work together against the patriarchy', seems on the surface to be a positive statement. But it isn't. It's loaded with forced teaming, expecting women to work on their behalf and a redefinition of what the patriarchy is.

Saying 'lets work together against the patriarchy', seems on the surface to be a positive statement. But it isn't. It's loaded with forced teaming, expecting women to work on their behalf and a redefinition of what the patriarchy is.

Centring men the. Which is patriarchy.

*then

They've redefined what it is to be a women in their heads and expect women to not only accept it, but to work to make it happen.

YY to this. They want to redefine what a woman is and use a male-centric, woman erasing, male supremacist definition but ONLY WHEN IT SUITS THEM.

The rest of the time they want the boring old-fashioned cunty definition to be allowed to stand as otherwise they have nothing to trans to and no femaleness to fetishize and no human props to their performance.

This is not working against patriarchy. It is postmodernizing the subjugation of girls and women. It adds another toxic dimension to patriarchy and to gender (which is a sexist hierarchy). And, yes, they expect women to work to make it happen.

Great analysis Beach 👏 👏

I get so irritated with the selfishness of it all. Either the transwomen who are insisting women help them with their issues, or the handmaidens who are not bothered about certain things so don't care about other women.

Me being a feminist hasn't stopped me being raped, but my motivation is to make sure other women and girls are not systematically stripped of their rights and protections.

All I hear from the other side is "What about meeee?" Or "I don't mind, why should you?"

Ah, it seems, though many people here were up for discussing with DonnaBe, cos 'no bubble' and all that, Donna's gone. Though I'm sure Donna will be back at some point.

Meanwhile, Donna's off in other places retweeting people describing posters here as Mumsnet bitches and evil and vicious and retweeting 'c**' references and the new 'hilarious' FART acronym. (NB Donna, we've been called so much worse in our normal lives, as well as in this discussion, so it really doesn't make a difference. Whilst I appreciate you also may have received insults for your presentation, so do females, on a daily basis, so trying to make up new insults are pretty much water off our collective ducks' back!)

So the general calm and appreciative questioning thread here from posters trying to engage with DonnaBe may be falling on stony ground.

Despite DonnaBe being 'oh so fey' in 'I'm happy to meet up and chat with anyone, even if they don't agree with me', anyone in Wiltshire considering this may want to check Donna's twitter feed to understand your mutual starting points before this lovely chat.

I really can't express my surprise that Donna is much more interested in venting anti-woman tweets than 'engaging' with our re-education. Oh well. I'll have to resign myself to a life of wondering what could have been if only I'd have surrendered all women's boundaries without a fight.

Was anyone actually buying the faux-reasonable presentation?

That wheedling tone is a sign that on some level the person knows they're asking for something unreasonable just as surely in an adult as it is in a child. Nope, sorry, I'm not your servant.

Tbh, since the last visit Donna made some time ago, they have, whenever they've appeared on my twitter radar, been tweeting/retweeting about how fucking awful us nasty Mumsnet bitches are, so the notion that they rock up here at any point to have a friendly chat is as credible as Jacob Rees Mogg campaigning for EU membership and free contraception for everyone.

I think we knew Donna was on a Duping delight reversal ego trip when Donna tried to claim that biological sex was an "unusual categorisation" that we'd solely chosen specifically to be able to exclude and therefore to oppress trans people.