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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Transphobic US senator was sex trafficker.

250 replies

DonnaBe · 18/09/2018 21:43

He got 15 years. Is it enough?

deadstate.org/ex-gop-senator-who-voted-for-anti-trans-bathroom-bill-gets-15-years-for-child-sex-trafficking/

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AngryAttackKittens · 21/09/2018 22:30

In other news, suggesting that most people sleep at night and work during the day is an unusual categorization given that some of us are night owls. I demand that nobody ever imply that most people are awake by lunchtime on their days off again!

MrGHardy · 21/09/2018 22:30

Where is the sex trafficking?

Also, funny how when a bad person doesn't submit to trans ideology, that is take as if only bad people don't submit. But every single fucking example of trans violence and it's just an outlier or not really trans or whatever.

FloralBunting · 21/09/2018 22:31

At least each baity visitor adds to the "They said what?" Lexicon. We can now add 'biological sex is an unusual categorisation' to such classics as 'ducking under a bar as a female Olympic sport' and 'Transwomen have been scientifically shown to be shorter'.

AngryAttackKittens · 21/09/2018 22:32

#diurnalprivilege

pombear · 21/09/2018 22:33

Yep, to all above, lots of us saw this coming, but this is for all the lurkers wondering why there's scepticism by posters about engaging with 'newish' posters/TRAs - why we may be wary, and not respond in ways you may expect.

When we're challenged by posters to 'why are you in a bubble', 'can't we find common ground', 'I just want to chat with you all'.

This is why.

pombear · 21/09/2018 22:36

Floral absolutely. What a gem. Why have you chosen such an unsual category as 'biology' to debate on? is a gift.

These are the threads that keep giving, often unintentionally by the OPs. Smile

TallulahWaitingInTheRain · 21/09/2018 22:47

I demand that nobody ever imply that most people are awake by lunchtime on their days off again!

I've always felt this was pretty exclusionary and bigoted.

LangCleg · 21/09/2018 23:06

Oh noes. Has Donna gone? Without answering my specific questions about safeguarding?

Oh well. Maybe I'll have better luck with the 1,001st person I ask.

AngryAttackKittens · 21/09/2018 23:12

Or indeed with Donna the next time Donna makes an attempt at harvesting quotes.

pancaketosser · 22/09/2018 13:05

I know some dairy farmers, I wonder if they know how unusual it is to classify things into male and female?

Bowlofbabelfish · 22/09/2018 13:48

Oh well. Maybe I'll have better luck with the 1,001st person I ask.

I dunno. I reckon Ive asked that many people if humans can change sex. People just don’t seem keen to answer....

DonnaBe · 22/09/2018 14:55

Sorry for being unable to reply. I work full time, I’m a carer and I’ve been ill. Feeling much better today.
If m not too drunk after Strictly tonight, I’ll try and reply then.
Don’t hold your breath though! We have several bottles of cheap prosecco in the fridge asking to be drunk!

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pombear · 22/09/2018 22:01

Sigh. Glad you're feeling better Donna.

After Donna told us all their responsibilities on this thread ( like no one here on the board has similar Donna!) we probably weren't 'holding our breath'.

Particularly as Donna popped up on another thread to talk about being frisked at airport security, and the joys of mostly being able to pass (cough, won't say anything here). And then ran off another thread.

Donna - if you want to be taken seriously in discussion, as you flagged your appetite for doing so on the 'meet up' thread, you may want to stay 'authentic' and stop pretending you've got too much to do to answer difficult questions on one thread whilst popping up on others.

Hope those prosecco bottles were fun - cos, hey, that's what us wims like, pink fluffyness, frisked at security by the sex we'd 'rather be' and prosecco. Mwah.

FFS. (Still haven't forgotten you're classing Mumsnet posters as 'bitches' on your twitter, and that's the low level stuff. I suspect you have less understanding of what it is to be a woman than you think you have).

CrackpotsArePots · 22/09/2018 22:07

I am literally holding my breath

pombear · 22/09/2018 22:08

And if anyone thinks I'm being particularly harsh here, I'm just tired, really tired - I read lots of amazing women today being amazing in the storm of being challenged, erased, and slandered.

And someone whose passport reads 'M', who we are all extremely polite and open to discussion with, is fucking playing with us, and trashing us in other areas of social media.

And yet kindly offering to meet up with us in real life to have a chat.

CrackpotsArePots · 22/09/2018 22:11

pombear

Not at all. As I sit here, wearing my fluffy slippers and babydoll nightdress, having polished off a few glasses of Babycham after making hubby's dinner and caring for my triplets Dwayne, Shane and Pomagne, I ponder how hard all our lives as women are. You do you.

pombear · 22/09/2018 22:16

Crackpots thank you. I was just about to blow, but you reminded me that we're all just fluffy slippers and Babycham and have calmed me down.

Hubby's currently smoking a cigar and doing something 'businessy' but thankfully I'm sipping on my prosecco and contemplating my place in the world.

Sometime DonnaBe may return to give us their answers to the valid questions on this thread, but in the meantime I'll be rubbing hubby's feet and chilling out with a glass of fizz (giggles).

FloralBunting · 22/09/2018 22:22

Ah have a vair busy life, with mah prosecco, mah job, mah cake icing and mah inability to empathize with women. Ah only have time to post about mah busyness, though. Ah have no actual interest in your responses. Thenkyewverymuch.

pombear · 22/09/2018 22:28

Floral Shock with your lack of empathy! (Hope today's been an OK day given your last few ones)

FloralBunting · 22/09/2018 22:36

pombear akershally, it's been a very good day yes Smile

pombear · 22/09/2018 22:47

And if the OP is bedazzled by a long thread and therefore confused about what questions have been asked.

I've done some pre-reading work for you, and distilled the thread to make it easier. So, the key questions arising in the discussion you mentioned you were keen to engage with are:

How do you know you're a woman?

So you think that NO transperson anywhere ever is a peodophile?

And HotRocker's great list:
You’re unhappy with DBS checks because they only flag up retrospective offending, so you‘d like suggestions for a more watertight system.

You believe that violent and sexual offenders should be kept out of the female estate.

You evidently believe that not all people who claim to be trans are in fact trans, therefor by extension, if you continue that logic, that some people may seek to abuse a system of self ID for nefarious purposes.
So what are your suggestions? Nobody can identify an abuser before they’ve been caught, so how do we identify abusive men who wish to self ID as a woman for the purposes of predating on women and children?

How can we ensure that any male bodied individual who gains access to female single sex spaces will not commit any offences?
How can we correctly identify people who are genuinely trans, as opposed to people like Karen White, who’s trans identity you question?

You clearly believe that a system of safeguarding should be implemented to prevent abusive predatory men gaining access to women and children, so how do you think that should work?

SophoclesTheFox · 23/09/2018 07:15

Good skills, pombear and not harsh at all.

DonnaBe · 24/09/2018 12:09

I think this is still relevant

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Bowlofbabelfish · 24/09/2018 13:36

It’s very relevant.

Anyhoo, about safeguarding? Should gender questioning children be placed outside the framework that protects children in general?

Can humans change sex?

Should all spaces be unisex?

milkymilfy · 24/09/2018 14:15

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