Women on the left are responsible for austerity

[CarrotyO]

I've heard it said that women on the left actually support and are therefore in some way responsible for austerity. This is because both Labour and the Tories support austerity. Therefore any woman who supports Labour, or the Left in general, also knowingly and consciously supports austerity and are therefore also responsible for the 1000s of deaths of disabled people caused by austerity. Does anyone have any thoughts on this?

Well I dreamed about a red lizard and a red octopus last night, I blame this thread!

I find it strange that suggesting ways to continue life on this planet is considered by people to be “jumping off a cliff”, whereas the idea of continuing with things as they are (ie murder of the living world on which we depend) is considered the practical option.

If 75% of the worlds grasslands were restored all of the carbon since the Industrial Age would be sequestered within 15 years. On top of that the grasslands would allow herds of bison, deer etc to flourish. In other words we would have tons and tons of biomass and climate change would be halted.

Are you aware of the numbers of people suffering malnutrition? This is not natural. This is not normal.

I don't think that this is compatible with your observation that humans are animals like any other.

Malnutrition is a predictable consequence of the overpopulation of any species. It is all too normal and natural.

As humans we are uniquely aware of this reality. In theory, but sadly not in practise it seems, we are able to mitigate against it.

I'm not remotely clear what any of this has to do with women in particular!

Can people try and think about things sensibly?

200 species are dying a day as a result of human activity. It’s not fair to humans or to non humans.

Honey, grand extinction events belong to Earth like milk belongs to coffee. This is the sixths, and humans weren't even the first life form to be directly responsible for one.
Cyanobacteria began to evolve a type of photosynthesis that produces molecular oxygen as a waste product two billon years back, killing off 90% of life on Earth. Lo and behold, some species evolved who could actually use molecular oxygen in their metabolism to produce energy. This high energy 'new way' was so successful, that it allowed ever bigger, more energy intense life forms to evolve. And here we are.

Extinction events are not bad per se. They demonstrably often make place for even cooler species to evolve. Extinction events are only bad for the ones who go extinct.

Are you replying to me?

Feminism is vital to overcome the problems of overpopulation. If girls are empowered and able to assert their boundaries, the birth rate falls.

I was just racing to the end to post the same maybe!

Even the basic premise of what the people who are on it think it's about eludes me.

It seems to be about people deciding what views other people hold, and then taking extreme exception to them. And then the views that other people hold turn out to be not just different from what was being supposed but...ummmm...extremely niche?

Do you know each other, carroty and lisa? That's the bit that I can't fathom.

Ah cross post

No I didn’t see your comment

No I don’t know her

If 75% of the worlds grasslands were restored all of the carbon since the Industrial Age would be sequestered within 15 years. On top of that the grasslands would allow herds of bison, deer etc to flourish. In other words we would have tons and tons of biomass and climate change would be halted.

And billions would starve. Why do you value bisons over humans and any new life forms that can evolve after a grand extinction event?

I actually agree with you on the topic of overpopulation and the need to control that, carroty, and that empowering women is how you do that. That much I get! The rest? Not so much.

I've read some Lierre Keith & Derrick Jensen and found it very interesting.

I do not know Caroty and the only way I can explain this thread is hallucination. Occams razor innit?

But I am considering giving up modern life and just foraging for vegetables.

It's really weird then that lisa was using language that seemed like a direct accusation to you, then carroty.

It was a generic "you" that is responsible for the events that she's talking about then, not a specific "you"?

That makes it even harder to grasp the point.

They are very interesting. It’s funny to see people describe radical feminist theory as student politics.

apologies, lisa, I didn't see you were back on the thread when I posted.

I couldn’t grasp it either. I think she thought I was someone else, she was describing a different person with different politics.

It was referring to another thread where Caroty's 'political'(lol) identity drove him to explain some rather intersting things about austerity and to demonstrate some things. He started this thread and then the hallucinations about foraging began. Radical feminist politics, thats kind of funny too.

That's what I get from it, Carroty.

You don't seem to be the person/people responsible for the issue.

I've no idea what else you may have said on other threads that caused people to think that. The derail and this thread seem to be unrolling in a parallel dimension.

Lisa why are you being so rude? Lierre Keithe is a radical feminist. She spoke at a rad fem conference in London a couple years back. Look it up on YouTube.

Can I report that comment for misgendering under the new Mumsnet rules I wonder?

Oh OK re contraception. Will the birth rate then fall far enough to save the earth? I'd like to see some modelling on that.

It does sound a bit like making overpopulation uniquely women's problem to sort out. How about promoting vasectomy?

Control over our own bodies and reproductive systems is a basic human right. Not a tool to make us further responsible for solving all the world's problems.

This is a thought provoking thread. Wish I didn't have to work now.

You don’t like the idea that we should empower girls and women to be able to assert boundaries over their bodies? Hmm interesting.