Women on the left are responsible for austerity

[CarrotyO]

I've heard it said that women on the left actually support and are therefore in some way responsible for austerity. This is because both Labour and the Tories support austerity. Therefore any woman who supports Labour, or the Left in general, also knowingly and consciously supports austerity and are therefore also responsible for the 1000s of deaths of disabled people caused by austerity. Does anyone have any thoughts on this?

Left means exogenous. Attached to. Usually causes that are not your own with the sole intention of imposing your own identity and usually requiring abuse of the vulnerable so that can be maintained. As we have seen. It is a word people are encouraged to make part of their identoity so they will behave this way. Usually sincerely and with no insight into it. Reality harms that identity and people behave predictably to protect it. IUts why we have the threat of fascism minutes away from Dwoning Street.

Lisa I'm sorry I just honestly have no idea what you're talking about. People have been moaning about Labour for years. The Blair years were atrocious, openly supporting neoliberalism. There are loads of centrist / right-wing labour MPs. In fact I feel like the most common argument people make who have had enough of it all is : "They're all the same". "They're just as bad as each other". etc. So I'm not sure why you think that we're not allowed to discuss "political consensus". I really don't get where you are coming from.

Maybe Doctor, no they havent had a sniff of power. They are still our opposition. and a consensus has to be upheld. When it is challenged by one party it is no longer a consensus. that has not happened. Being in opposition doesnt mean powerless its just that Labour spent eight eyars abusing women and jewish people and having internal squabbles to maintain it.

Carrotyo you appear to believe I care that you do not know what I am talking about. I know you have no idea what I am on about its why you have behaved so appallingly to me to protect your political identity> because you havent a clue what am on about. Which is why its a problem that your peers and comrades have our trade unions cos they dont either.

I don’t normally engage with this kind of thread, but nobody is responsible for something unless they had the power to set and implement the policy.

I disagree. The demands of the opposition have a considerable effect on the Overton window of political discourse.

To protect my political identity? Please read my comments, you seem to have missed them. I don't identify on the left. I'm an anarcho-primative radical feminist.

I read your comments. You dont have any idea what am going on about, you dont have any idea about the systems discussing, you dont have any idea about any of it but you identify with the word left so I have to be abused, so does Posie, cos you feel virtuous and if I could kindly not mention how policy that killed 100k people was held up because it injures your identity that would be lovely and then you'd stop behaving this way to people? I dont disagree with the lefts methods. I disagree with your belief that you can behave this way because you believe you can identify as opposing something you dont understand and you believe that the word left means you have to then protect that with all your mind, you believe tha threads like this are normal behaviour and fuck the people you harm with your behaviour eh?

100k people DEAD because of policy but we cant discuss how our trade unions and labour left just played their part inactively facilitating that, we cant discuss their role in normalising abuse of women and jewish people to do so, or that they did so knowingly from the start, because you are the priority. Get some help. You are clearly delusional

Oh and Carrotyo. that aint feminism, it aint socialism, its narcissism. Thats it. You identify as. Well your identity is bullshit. And its leading you to behave badly to women you dont know.

Lisa you rock 🍺💪

Labour now has nothing bu5 nothin* to do with working class women anymore
They don’t care anymore. It’s a party taken over by I don’t know who but they definitely don’t care about working class women.
Feck I even hate that class thing as it’s shite to have us in classes
Shite but hopes you know what I mean

Actually, this has all just reminded me of a good question to put to John McDonnell in the upcoming webchat...

... Labour's 2015 manifesto devoted 4x as much money to (mostly middle class) students than it did to reversing welfare cuts (for mostly working class) women. Will the next manifesto devote any more cash to women?

I. don't. identify. on. the. left.

Disagreeing with your opinion is not abuse Lisa. Your opinions don't make sense, that's why I don't have any idea what you are going on about.

I am well aware of austerity and the impact of austerity. My question is how you think women who organise on the left are responsible for that?

We have a very different understanding of the world. I understand the oppression of the working class to be at the hands of the capitalist class. Our labour power is exploited in order to make profits for the wealthy. You seem to think that women are responsible for that somehow. I lay responsibility for poverty firmly with the capitalist class, not with women who are attempting to fight them by organising (however successfully or unsuccessfully) on the left.

My question is how you think women who organise on the left are responsible for that?

Lisa doesn't say only women on the left and not the men. Never has.

But left organising prioritises party messaging. And party messaging on austerity hasn't lined up with the reality of proposed policy. See both my previous posts on this thread for true examples.

If left organising demonises people who point out the gap between party messaging and actual policy, the demonised people are going to get pissed off. And I think, as I've already said, a lot of women on this website have seen how TWAW left activists have gone after gender apostates, so they may well be inclined to credit Lisa when she says they did that over austerity too.

This. Is. Not. A. Difficult. Concept. To. Grasp.

Well it's a difficult concept t grasp when it bears no relation to reality "LangCleng*. I feel like you actually have no idea about how left-organising people have been spending their time. There are so many rallies, political publications, campaign groups on the left which organise against austerity. Here are a few:
www.thepeoplesassembly.org.uk/
socialistresistance.org/
www.counterfire.org/
These are just off the top of my head but of course there are more.

Thanks for clearing that up, Langcleg.

Also , if you are opposed to agriculture - a human activity that has been a necessity for millennia - then you are happy to see billions starve. Thats not left wing, its not socialist and it isn't feminist. Its authoritarian.

I feel like you actually have no idea about how left-organising people have been spending their time.

LOL.

Over and out!

I agree that people shouldn't be complacent with Corbyn and Labour. We have to hold them to account just as much as any political party and I wish people would do it more. It's just a massive stretch to hold women who organise on the left responsible for austerity.

Agriculture has been around for less than 10k years. Humans have lived for 200k years. We don't need agriculture. Agriculture is inherently destructive, it depletes the soil, it destroys the landbase. It means that other life forms can't live there as it's solely used for producing food for humans. Agriculture is an authoritarean and human supremacist system. It is destroying our planet. All your food is grown with chemicals, you think that's healthy?

Thanks Lang they’re useful posts. And thanks for all your contributions Lisa I don’t always manage to keep up with you but I enjoy your posts and have learnt a lot from you. I’m sorry for everything you and your child have been through.

I feel like you actually have no idea about how left-organising people have been spending their time.
I do care. Because it is usually entirely focused on you demanding people subsume what they are discussing so it fits with your identity and that is very harmful to those people. I wish you'd stop organising to prevent action, I wish you'd stop organising to impose your delusional purity politics which justifies your abuse of people. No I dont care about your identity or how much effort goes into maintaining it, I care about the consequences and you dont want us to discuss the consequences because well...shame...so you just stick to abusing women for insulting your delusional identity and preventing people discussing reality. Am sure it cant be harmful can it? How many dead people woudl it take to intrude on that? I'll be honest with you if you had told me in 2010 that in eight years I would be fighting the left to discuss these systems I'd have looked at you like you were mad cos I assumed I was of the left. nope. Left are the reason we have no trade unions, and outside your organising to prevent anyone discussing anything that impacts your identity and the impact you have no connection to anything real.

Lisa's opinions make a lot more sense than wanting to get rid of agriculture...

(Sorry, all, I know I said I wouldn't engage, but come on.)

Blimey. An anarcho-primitivist - all the Is, my friend, all the Is - who also believes in authoritarian no-platforming for wrongspeak! Life is full of surprises.

Lisa are you talking to me? I haven't once advocated for purity politics. I said:

I agree that people shouldn't be complacent with Corbyn and Labour. We have to hold them to account just as much as any political party and I wish people would do it more. It's just a massive stretch to hold women who organise on the left responsible for austerity.

(Sorry, all, I know I said I wouldn't engage, but come on.)

Also me. Sometimes, you just can't help it, right?!

LangCleg

My point in that thread, was that rather than imagine ulterior motives for WPUK's actions, listen to the reasons they gave in their statement. I passed no comment on whether or not it was the right action to take.

I have a dear friend who's an anarchist who'll be very surprised to hear that she's not on the left!