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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Durham Philosophy Journal editor sacked for saying women don't have penises

107 replies

PlantsArePeopleToo · 14/09/2018 00:25

www.palatinate.org.uk/assistant-editor-of-durham-philosophy-journal-fired-for-transphobic-retweet/

Someone please tell me that this isn't true and is some kind of piss take. Or that there is more to the story or something.

The world really has gone mad.

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CKoRn · 14/09/2018 14:32

What's sickening, and as one of the commenters on that article quite rightly pointed out is, what about all of the poor children being ABUSED by this movement? Particularly little girls?
You do realise that the HRT they go through causes irreversible sterility in women/girls, right? THIS IS ABUSE!
The whole thing is fucking sickening.

Beagadorsrock · 14/09/2018 15:55

I have come to the conclusion that some of these people aren't just stupid, aren't just a bit nutty, aren't just so open-minded their brains have fallen out. Some of them are actually evil. When you dismiss putting a rapist in a women's prison as "just one of those things" but call for the wrath of Khan to fall on a woman for wrongthink, you're not just being a bit stupid, you are indicating the depths of your sheer and utter hatred for women.

I totally agree.
I have no words for how shit all of this is.

Melamin · 14/09/2018 16:00

Total batshit madness.

The comments are good.

When do the NUS sort out their procedures with Jess Bradley? I thought it was supposed to be something like 4 weeks - they are dragging things out somewhat.

RomanyRoots · 14/09/2018 16:08

Women don't have penises though.
it's men that have penises, how the fuck will Biology teachers cope with this? Will they have to lie, the world has gone mad, just because of some weird fuckers.
I'm not saying trans are weird, just these stupid fuckers.
I have nothing against trans and support everyone's right to be who they want, but women don't have a penis, any idiot knows this.

FermatsTheorem · 14/09/2018 16:15

Biology class circa 2025:

"I am required to tell you by law that women can have penises and men can have vulvas, and you must not, whatever you do, engage in any sexual practice that is trans-exclusionary, but other than that any kink is up for grabs and you must embrace all of them in an equal opportunities way. Some people can get pregnant, and some people can get other people pregnant, and in order to prevent this you must be responsible with your contraception, but since I can't attach a name to which sort of person needs the condom and which sort of person can get pregnant without triggering someone's feelings (which is as bad as literal violence) I'm afraid you're very much on your own when it comes to working out how you will take responsibility for your own contraception...

"In the rest of this term's lessons we will be covering flat earth theories, intelligent design and young earth creationism, with a special project topic on 'how the moon landings were faked.'"

GColdtimer · 14/09/2018 16:17

I work in academic publishing. We have a small closed woman's FB discussion group talking about sexism etc in academic publishing. I shared this with them along with the Goldsmith's shower of shite (including asking one women who should know how someone got to be listed as an author twice on the same paper) and the pressure on PLOS to take down an article on ROGD.

One woman liked my post. They have all seen it. Not word was posted from any of them. This is a closed group of senior women and this is an attack on women in their industry.

Anyone else getting pissed off with people not willing to make a stand. I'm with Posie.

Melamin · 14/09/2018 16:26

The unspoken terror that keeps women quiet is frustrating.

Melamin · 14/09/2018 16:27

I think it is keeping your head down and hoping it will pass and you will not get singled out.

Or ostrich syndrome.

WhereYouLeftIt · 14/09/2018 18:56

Well, Angelos Sofocleous's latest tweet shows that his sacking is not shutting him up - quite the contrary! Well done him!

"What women experience - discrimination, abuse, rape - is solely on the fact that they are female. A male who claims to be a woman disregards the 'price' that certain people pay simply for being born female. Being a woman means being a female, and vice versa - nothing else."

twitter.com/Sofocleous_A/status/1040517878976573441

SophoclesTheFox · 14/09/2018 19:05

Well said Angelos Grin

CrackpotsArePots · 14/09/2018 19:24

Thank you (the aptly named) Angelos Sophocles Sofeocleous

Ereshkigal · 14/09/2018 19:27

Brilliant :)

SophoclesTheFox · 14/09/2018 19:43

Oh, yeah, I missed that, crackpots! All the best people are some sort of Sophocles Grin

I'm not a Greek philospher though. I'm a jellybean eating 700 year old multiply cloned actual fox

Shampooeeee · 14/09/2018 20:11

Bravo Angelos, thank you for standing up for women.
I’m disappointed to find these woke ass twats in an institution like Durham.

BettyDuMonde · 14/09/2018 20:28

I met a Durham graduate while I was out with FPFW.

She said the uni (or student union? Not sure) wanted to be eligible for some kind of Stonewall award, but had been unable to obtain it because gender neutral toilets were required, and the young women of Durham had realised that following the Stonewall guidance would mean that the women’s toilets, which just happened to be located closest to the bar, would, come Saturday night, be full of the pissed up rugby team. Whereas under the current seperate system, they were forced to walk a bit further down a corridor.

Unsurprisingly the young women said no, and the resulting backlash had been quite upsetting.

Now, where is the Bewilderness and her rules 0f misogyny when you need her?

WomanInBoots · 14/09/2018 20:29

For fucking fucks sake... the whole fucking POINT of philosophy is to stand outside of society and fucking discuss it and argue about it and propose dissenting views and play devils advocate and not take any prisoners and not give a crap who gets offended... that's the whole fucking POINT!

I wrote an undergraduate essay answering the question "Is suicide morally wrong?" Has that question been taken off the syllabus now as surely the answers to that could cause offence and distress?

Very disappointed in Durham being part of shutting down debate.

Ereshkigal · 14/09/2018 20:30

Unsurprisingly the young women said no

Good on them Thanks

BettyDuMonde · 14/09/2018 20:31

‘2nd rule of misogyny: Women saying no to men is a hate crime.

3rd rule of misogyny: Women speaking for themselves are exclusionary and selfish.’

Needmoresleep · 14/09/2018 20:40

Looks like Bristol will beat Durham to the Stonewall award

thetab.com/uk/bristol/2018/09/13/bristol-university-to-introduce-gender-neutral-bathrooms-in-all-buildings-34168

The cost is apparently more than three times the annual budget for student welfare. The Union is delighted. Individuals students, well aware of welfare issues, are dismayed.

ALittleBitofVitriol · 14/09/2018 21:07

AbsintheFriends

Exactly AAK - surely philosophy IS argument. Testing ideas. Debating them.

Tsk tsk, such a binary view of philosophy. Philosophy is actually a shifting constellation of really reel feelings, word salad and language orchestras. Precise definitions and logic are so terribly archaic.

ErrolTheDragon · 14/09/2018 21:07

Here's the full set - I keep the link handy

https://www.reddit.com/r/GenderCritical/comments/6kkeni/theerulesoffmisogyny/

ErrolTheDragon · 14/09/2018 21:09

And bravo Angelos Sofocleous - a rational man of principle.

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 14/09/2018 21:23

So the Stonewall award is basically a sign an institution hates women. A red flag, if you will.

silentcrow · 14/09/2018 22:58

So the Stonewall award is basically a sign an institution hates women. A red flag, if you will.

I have this sudden urge to go around slapping red flag stickers on anything Stonewall related now.

FermatsTheorem · 14/09/2018 23:03

Maybe alternate red flag stickers and "women don't have penises" stickers.