Posie Parker - brilliant rant

[MawkishTwaddle]

I love this. Particularly her point about cognitive dissonance.

She acknowledged her privilege in saying this is why she doesn’t work.

The last thing we need now is more women not speaking up for fear of offending someone.

That video is amazing. It is the first time I have seen Posie speak and it is great to see someone so passionate and forthright for once rather than constantly cowed about what they might or might not be saying.

I have shared it with a friend.

I’m not offended. I thought it was a discussion on our thoughts. I just offered mine. They may not be the same as some others but they are valid none the less.

That was amazing! I can't believe this woman is banned on here! Surely this thread will be deleted too? If so then that's it for me with MN, what's the point?

And I don’t think some women don’t speak up because they are afraid of offending someone. It’s way more serious and complicated than that.
Way to minimise many women’s real life experience.

Don't go. We need you. Its better for others if we are not all silenced or banned.

Its going to get really, really bad, then they will stop wailing 'project fear' and blame us for not being louder.
We're going to have to suck it up and keep talking to the lurkers.

I keep toying with going but I think we have to stay on MN - keep raising awareness here as it is the largest platform we have. That's why it's so targeted.

I keep toying with going but I think we have to stay on MN - keep raising awareness here as it is the largest platform we have. That's why it's so targeted.

Abso bloody lutely.

It's no good shouting if no-one can hear you.

Also, there are cute cats.

Oh completely.

I came across some rl lurkers recently. Don't post but do read.

Reddit hurts my head; this forum is much more accessible. And no point yodelling into a secret echo chamber either; I love reading the threads where opposing views are hammered out and explained.

And I don’t think some women don’t speak up because they are afraid of offending someone

Well I often don't speak up or challenge for fear of causing offense, I think females are largely socialised in this way. Yes there are other things happening too but this is definitely a problem, because often women will remove themselves from a situation rather than cause offense / a fuss. And women not wanting to cause offense so staying silent is one of the things the TRAs have relied on and one of their arguments for why there isn't a problem (no one has complained - yes, but how many women just quietly left?)

BeerIncome
I agree with what you're saying here.

I don't think it's fair to expect others to put their jobs on the line if that's what it would come down to - sublime rant or not.

TBF I've heard PP say numerous times that she is lucky not to need to work and can therefore afford to put her head over the parapet without the fear of losing her job. In fact, IIRC, that was one of the reasons that she decided to start being more public , because she is in the position to do so whereas many of us cannot take the risk

Prosecco up the nose sounds rather uncomfortable, though

No one has asked women to put their jobs on the line.

I should have said *ALL

Not all women don’t speak up just through fear of offending someone.
Although I do agree that it is true for some.
Also due to status, vulnerability, opportunity and a million other things that make it unsafe for them to do so.

No one has said 'put yourself at risk'. Posie said dont put yourself at risk.

Go back and listen again, to what is actually said.

What codswallop about privilege. Yes, PP doesn't have to worry about losing a job - but suggesting that privilege should prohibit someone from speaking up? . Surely nearly all of us have some sort of privilege, even if its just living in a country where you have freedom of speech... (at the moment).

And as others have noted, many of us work in places where you'd be slung out on your ear for daring to express any disquiet about gender nonsense and toilets etc, so we should be grateful to someone prepared to voice concerns that we daren't.

I think you made a perfectly valid point Beerincomechampagnetastes.

Whenever I see a poster here saying "I'd love to speak up on twitter but if I was identified I'd lose my job" it seems fine to me that they be allowed to keep a low profile.

Yeah, Posie Parker is privileged enough to go all out. You know, who is also privileged enought to be loud and demand to be heard? I'll tell you: Munroe Bergdorf, Shon Fae, Caytlyn Jenner, Jenny Pritzker...

The whole f*ing problem about this madness is that there are not enough women who are privileged enough to demand their rights and say their opinions, no holds barred.

Posie obviously advocates safety in numbers here, when she says, everyone should say something. 'Cause if all women who think it is bullshit say so, they are too many to ignore. What else is left to do? Does one really lose one's job for pointing out a problem once? Like a nurse politely saying, the transwoman makes it difficult for the women sharing the room in the hospital. I very much doubt that. Nobody expects anyone to go on a Posie-style rant in such a situation (which might risk the job).

Thank you nauticant and terry.
I did watch it and listened. I also stated up thread how grateful I was for women like posie.

I stand by what I have said.

Surely then the rallying cry should go out to women who are privileged? What about retired women, the WI, even - like PP - those pariahs, SAHMs ? It's funny, I've seen so many feminists (and idiots) deride SAHMs for somehow letting the side down, but in fact they could be the secret weapon.

I've seen so many feminists (and idiots) deride SAHMs for somehow letting the side down,

where'd you see that, then?

Posie Parker has also said in that video that her children were tracked down via her MiL's FB page, and the photos used online (don't know how). Women have a lot more to lose, and a lot more to fear, than privileged men who want to virtue-signal, bully women, or think their feelings are more important than women's rights,

Is it not possible to talk about what it is possible to do without dragging someone else down?

I've been on MN about 13 years and hardly a week goes by without a thread about lazy SAHMs being no better than prostitutes. Unless your "where'd you see that, then?" was ironic.

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