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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Blog Post by Prof Alex Sharpe

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SusanBunch · 11/09/2018 18:29

Alex is a professor of law at Keele and a trans woman. This is Alex's response to the concerns raised by feminists:

inherentlyhuman.wordpress.com/2018/09/11/foxes-in-the-henhouse-putting-the-trans-women-prison-debate-in-perspective/

I don't want to go through it point by point because I have had a long day and I am already feeling a headache coming on. However, some general observations:

-Seems to suggest that the figures cited of numbers of trans prisoners are false. Did they not come from a freedom of information request from the BBC? Why the hell would they be inaccurate? Is Sharpe suggesting the prison service gave inaccurate information? Suggests that lots of them might be trans men, which skews the stats. The 27 trans people convicted of rape are definitely trans women, because rape requires a penis. Also, given the very small total number of women in prison compared to men in prison, I would venture that the number of trans men in prison would be absolutely minute (as in fewer than 10 or so). I also highly doubt any of them are in there for sex offences.

-Sly little dig about how it's ironic that GC feminists call themselves feminists at all. What, because we don't want to adopt a philosophy that would place the needs and rights of the rapist above the victim? So dismissive of women's concerns.

-Uses the argument that this is such a small problem as to be almost irrelevant.The thing with prison is that you only need one high-risk person in there to create a risk to numerous other people. Karen White assaulted four women in New Hall in a very short space of time. Had he been in there longer, the number would no doubt be much higher. If the 27 convicted rapists were all placed in different prisons, the number of women at direct risk would be substantial. Let me be clear: ONE incident of this is one too many. There should be no guidance whatsoever that allows this to happen.

  • Suggests that this was simply due to a lack of proper risk assessment and there is nothing wrong with the basic policy of placing trans women in female jails. No- the point is that we do not have mixed sex prisons due to the risk this would place female prisoners at (plus a whole host of other reasons). Trans women like Karen White are fully intact males. Yes, they claim to feel female, but they have male genitalia, male bodies etc. It is not feasible to do a risk assessment in every case. In any event, a male prisoner who has not been convicted of a sex offence can still be high risk to female prisoners. We simply cannot have a system where we say it is okay to let males onto the female estate if they feel female. It's illogical and utterly nonsensical. If we did, we should abolish sex-segregation in prisons full stop.
  • Suggests that this is not a problem because guards abusing women is a worse problem. Ridiculous argument imo. Yes, it is disgusting how many women are exploited in prison. So you want to add to that by introducing even more danger? That makes sense...
  • The 'women do it too' argument, citing a case of a teacher who had a lesbian relationship with a pupil. While it is always wrong to have a sexual relationship with someone in your trust, the case Sharpe has cited is absolutely nowhere near the same as the horrific violence that Karen White perpetrated against his victims. Emily Fox is highly unlikely to be a risk to any woman in prison just because she is a lesbian who had a relationship with a girl aged 15. It's actually disgusting to place them in the same category- it has really made me angry and upset reading that.

From that article, I can see that Alex utterly dismisses the concerns of feminists, questions our status as feminists (because we can apparently only be feminists if we centre the interests of natal males), and engages in misogynistic comparisons that utterly downplay the seriousness of what happened in New Hall Prison. I hope to God this ends soon. I keep wondering whether I am living in a parallel universe and I can't understand why some female academics are applauding this. Maybe fear. I don't know.

It makes me appreciate the brave and amazing feminist scholars who do dare to stand up to Alex Sharpe and co even more. Flowers Flowers Flowers

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SusanBunch · 14/09/2018 17:42

The argument is that people have no right to make a criminal complaint on this basis because otherwise transgender people will be obliged to disclose their sex before anyone takes their clothes off. And that is anathema to Alex because trans people should never have to share this information. Alex wants the law changed.

Yes, I think this is it, essentially. Alex does not think that people have the right to know the biological sex of the person they are sleeping with. Alex does not think that the harm to a 'cis' person in being deceived as to someone's gender (and therefore tricked into sex) could ever be as great as the harm of a trans person being turned down for sex. Unbelievable. It reeks of incel and the cotton ceiling. Nobody owes you sex.

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SusanBunch · 14/09/2018 17:53

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Yes, sorry, I was wrong there. They need to risk assess of course. I also think they did risk-assess in Karen White's case, yet still put him in the women's prison because the guidance says that that is where trans prisoners go.

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Oldstyle · 14/09/2018 18:13

Not wanting to derail but he web of connections between TRAs, political parties, civil liberty and human rights organisations, advisory and advocacy groups seems worryingly extensive. Unlikely to be by chance. I recently stopped supporting Amnesty, explaining that their stance on the GRA and prostitution would undermine the rights of women & girls - including the right to single-sex spaces that they are fighting for elsewhere. Their reply was terse. It included instructions about how to stop payments but no 'thank you' for my decades of support. It was clear that I had been relegated to Trfdom and essentially blanked. If AS is involved with Amnesty I guess I have my explanation. It's distressing on so many levels.

SophoclesTheFox · 14/09/2018 18:23

Agreed, oldstyle. I had much the same experience with Amnesty when they went all out for penis rights.

And as for Alex - Never mind "alex wants the law changed" - Alex wants reality changed.

Your sexual partners are always going to figure out what sex you are, for goodness sake! What is this hypothetical sexual situation where you fool them and they never know (and what sort of a person thinks that is a good outcome Confused)

GenderApostate · 14/09/2018 18:24

Extremely concerning, to put it mildly, that someone with that kind of agenda is teaching young law students.

I wonder if the Professor is also meddling in Adult Safeguarding Law or even Childcare Law? They have a lot of strings to their bow.

Appalling.
I wonder if Alex was ever married to a Woman ? They really seem very detached as to how actual Women think and behave.

Ereshkigal · 14/09/2018 18:29

A key thing I've noticed about men who identify as women is that most of them seem to have absolutely no interest in women's interests or experience. I get the impression they have a sort of pattern of 'womaning' that they adopt in a sort of cosplay which is not connected to actual women's lives in any way.

A bit like dressing as an alien at a sci-fi convention. You know what you want to look like but have zero interest in how said alien might think or experience life. Because aliens aren't actually real.

Wow, yes so much this.

terryleather · 14/09/2018 18:38

challenging the absolute right to sexual autonomy was a heresy in feminism, in relation to 'cis-trans' intimacy it was a necessary rebellion to orthodoxy.

Ooo is this queering consent perchance with a spot of transgressing thrown in...?

GenderApostate · 14/09/2018 18:58

Interesting that there doesn’t seem to be a photograph of Andrew N Sharpe anywhere online - strange for an author of a fair few books 🤔

SusanBunch · 14/09/2018 19:00

I agree, Gender. Almost as if said person has wiped all visual evidence of their former existence.

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Ereshkigal · 14/09/2018 19:02

Ooo is this queering consent perchance with a spot of transgressing thrown in...?

Undoubtedly.

nauticant · 14/09/2018 19:41

What a thicky I am. I've just realised that TimeLady's:

Maybe it's really really simple..... the mid/later-life transitioners are realising they have a very limited dating pool, and so are helping create a new, much younger one, hence all the work supporting the younger generation in schools etc to transition..:

provides the link between AGPs and incels. Of course that fits with being incels! They might have had no difficulty accessing sex beforehand but once they're in transition still having their urges and their entitlements many will struggle to find sexual partners. In other words, casebook incel. Doh!

AngryAttackKittens · 14/09/2018 20:49

in relation to 'cis-trans' intimacy it was a necessary rebellion to orthodoxy

That evil non-trans orthodoxy of believing that you shouldn't have sex with people who don't want you to!

FloralBunting · 14/09/2018 21:03

Cis-normative rules about personal consent boundaries are a fundamental part of the existential oppression of the trans experience.

PeakPants · 15/09/2018 07:56

Are any of you guys Mel North/is she on here? If so, I want to buy you a virtual drink. Absolutely excellent tweets. Twitter handle is @leekartspace

Socrates11 · 15/09/2018 16:02

Excellent post and responses to a truly dreadful, supposedly academic article. Load of bloody nonsense was was my first and repeated thought so thank you for taking the time to properly unpick and illustrate exactly why it was rubbish. Flowers

Of course some twitter kool-aid, TRAs think the Sharpe piece is marvellous 😕

TimeLady · 15/09/2018 16:14

Thank you nauticant Grin

Yep, a compliant generation of vulvas, groomed via the internet, who won't see themselves as lesbians and have been brainwashed into accepting 'lady dick'.

Middle-aged transwomen end up with a fuckable 'toy boy'. No offspring, never mind, move on to the next one. How many validation points do you get for that?

GenderApostate · 15/09/2018 16:38

Mel North isn’t on here PeakPants, I’ve been talking to her (we live fairly close to each other) and I have invited her to the other forum, not sure if she’s joined yet.

PeakPants · 15/09/2018 19:47

Thank her from me, Gender. She is very articulate.

Materialist · 15/09/2018 20:48

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Ereshkigal · 16/09/2018 12:32

I actually put Alex's argument to my boyfriend last night after a few drinks, as a hypothetical situation he could have found himself in. To say he was unimpressed by the rapey sophistry of Alex's logic would be an understatement.

nauticant · 16/09/2018 13:30

it’s urgent that straight men understand right away that their sexual autonomy is at risk

I don't think this will have much of an impact. Most men will be confident that, in response to a ridiculous "I say I'm a woman therefore you must consider me as a potential sexual partner" approach, they can say "fuck off" and off the person will fuck.

However sexist it might be, the way to make an impact with men is to let them know that some trans people are voicing such entitlement against the women in their lives.

Ereshkigal · 16/09/2018 13:35

Yes my bf was half creeped out, half amused by the outrageousness of the suggestion.

Prawnofthepatriarchy · 16/09/2018 17:44

There was distressing thread on Reddit GenderCritical a year or two back when a young woman described being sexually assaulted and physically injured by a transwoman who was in her friendship group. I think she was a student.

Anyway, she went to the police but when her female friends discovered what she'd done she was ostracized. She was told the transwoman was the vulnerable one and how dare she make life harder for them?

She was clearly totally traumatized. I felt so much for her, poor young thing. To first be attacked by someone who was supposed to be a friend, and then to be slammed by those any woman would expect to be her allies and supporters

And as I recall these hellish handmaidens identified as feminists.

Prawnofthepatriarchy · 16/09/2018 17:48

The point of my comment is probably obvious but I didn't actually get round to saying that it's about our discussion of consent.

Her refusing the transwoman's advances automatically put her in the wrong. If she wasn't transphobic the transwoman wouldn't have needed to force her, so she had no right to report them to the police.

Materialist · 16/09/2018 18:11

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