Goldsmiths LGBT society says feminists should be sent to a gulag.

[DJLippy]

Goldsmiths, home of witch hunting transwoman Natasha Kennedy needs to sort itself out.

Last night they started harassing a load of 'T*rfs' on Twitter and then today they suggested they might like to spend some time in a gulag - before going on to write a rather long, propaganda piece in their defense.

twitter.com/lgbtqgold/status/1039140880731521025.

I didn't think leftists like this actually existed.

Is this a real account?

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3359116-The-Times-smear-campaign-by-trans-lecturer-at-Goldsmiths

I've said this before, about the Green Party/Challoner incident.

The Left need to get a handle on this . A narrative that gets to grip with the nihilism, social closure, extremism and abuse involved in these bizarre positions.

If they don't, the only counter-narrative will come from the Right.

And that is a bloody frightening prospect.

Because people are beginning to notice.

Seriously - education is fucking expensive. People are going to notice.

And you don't want the only 'explanation' and narrative saying: 'Whoah! There's a problem here,' coming from the Right.

You really, really don't.

And I know feminists (well, some feminists) are trying to do this - provide a counter-narrative, based on progressive principles - but, damn, we could use some fucking back up from the Left.

So what I’m getting from this thread is that with Natasha Kennedy and their merry band on the case, the education department has moved into re-education?

Terrifying.

the only counter-narrative will come from the Right.

www.teaparty.org/gay-rights-group-british-university-wants-put-people-gulags-323570/

These same girls went to all of my lecturers to demand I be prevent from speaking as it violated their safe space.

Point of order: they are women. As the adult women they are, they should know that you don't get to turn up to someone else's meeting and then complain about "your safe space" being violated. They could simply choose not to attend the meeting. I despair, because the original point of "safe spaces" was to have a place where 1) discrimination and harassment was not OK, 2) difficult topics were discussed by prior arrangement with notice so that people could psychologically prepare or make an informed choice to leave. It wasn't ever supposed to be about stopping people from saying something you didn't like, but to make sure that you weren't caught off-guard by material that would have you flashing-back to your rape. And it certainly wasn't supposed to be a tool to harass people with different opinions from you, which it sounds like these adult women who should know better have been using it for.

the only counter-narrative will come from the Right.

^www.teaparty.org/gay-rights-group-british-university-wants-put-people-gulags-323570/^

[sigh] Dear Tea Party, this is a trans rights group. I doubt that LGB people even get a look in.

Pedantry aside, the conflation of trans with LGB people and feminists means that the backlash to this TRA insanity is going to take out so much civil rights progress for women and same-sex-attracted people. But if we do nothing, we lose civil rights anyway because of the ladydicks in women's spaces and lesbians' knickers.

This is the thing that terrifies me too - that the far right will get a foothold. I'm already seeing rumblings of this in certain groups. They don't feel able to vote for Labour, the Green Party's screwed and the Liberals are a no go.

No mention of feminists as far as I can see, but I believe it is part the the same twitter thread, same poster.

Made it to the Daily Mail

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6154777/Goldsmiths-student-group-mounts-extraordinary-defence-notorious-GULAG-worker-camps.html

Seriously - education is fucking expensive. People are going to notice.

I am involved in hiring decisions. From now on, if I am sifting CVs and I see a recent (say last five or so years) Goldsmiths degree on one, it is going in the bin. If I am on an interview panel and a candidate is a recent Goldsmiths graduate, I will do everything I can to veto their selection. I need the people I work with to be pragmatic and to use evidence and facts to inform their judgements. I need the people I work with to be able to respectfully disagree with others. Goldsmiths LGBTQ[whatever other letters there were] have proved that their
students cannot cope with these basic standards of evidence-based reasoning and decent human interaction.

They don't feel able to vote for Labour, the Green Party's screwed and the Liberals are a no go.

It's a pretty scary situation when the hard right look (and I stress, look - reality is very different) less anti-Semitic and more supportive of women than the left.

Yes, the right are opportunistic swine: they're only pretending to opposed to anti-Semitism and that for the entirely cynical reason that it's a stick to beat both the left and Muslim organisations. Ditto, mutatis mutandis, for their purported support for women: it's cynical posturing, because they don't mind chucking the ladies a few bones if it's an opportunity to attack people they hate more.

But their messaging is clear, and the reaction of most of the general public to the likes of Challoner is "these people are weird AF, how could anyone possibly vote for them?"

As you say: it's very scary. But the Labour Party today looks increasingly like a weird collection of crazy people, with their own language, ideas and values which are entirely alien a lot of the voting public.

Goldsmiths seem to breed these people. What sort of an environment exists to make these people feel safe making such assertions? Are they untouchable for some reason?

This is from 3 years ago.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/bahar-mustafa-charged-with-sending-malicious-message-after-tweeting-kill-all-white-men-a6683241.html

And that is a bloody frightening prospect.

Too right it is. We are moving towards a position where there are only two choices: firstly, an ultra-authoritarian left that punishes people for wrong think and actually isn't really joking about shunning and gulags; secondly, a far right that will take out all the gains we (women, gays and lesbians, black and brown people) have won with our blood and sweat.

It's very worrying.

Seriously - education is fucking expensive. People are going to notice

Speaking of which. Is the OU still free of this stuff ? It's Sports Science, so I guess there is room for the TRA to feature. This is the only compromise DS and I could come to over me wanting him to go to England/Wales for HE and him point blank refusing to go and live somewhere that doesn't make a big deal out of his sport.

Before I send money....is it likely DS be left exposed to social/academic sanction cos there is no possibility he will bend over the fairness of sex segregation in sport. Nor will he manage (or find much interest in trying) all the pronouns frenzy. It's even harder for bilingual/ESL people to manage the minefield of pronouns than it is for native speakers.

I just assumed the OU would be far less political than most, being online and having an older cohort. Does that sound about right ?

• am involved in hiring decisions. From now on, if I am sifting CVs and I see a recent (say last five or so years) Goldsmiths degree on one, it is going in the bin. If I am on an interview panel and a candidate is a recent Goldsmiths graduate, I will do everything I can to veto their selection. I need the people I work with to be pragmatic and to use evidence and facts to inform their judgements. I need the people I work with to be able to respectfully disagree with others. Goldsmiths LGBTQ[whatever other letters there were] have proved that their students cannot cope with these basic standards of evidence-based reasoning and decent human interaction.*

That’s hardly fair. The students involved in this sort of idiocy will be a tiny minority of the student body.

Is the OU still free of this stuff ?

Well, the OU's latest advert is centred around how doing an OU degree whilst transitioning was great because they felt fully supported, etc., etc.

This pisses me off because I am a Goldmsiths Graduate. Graduated 11 years ago and I can see my qualification being devalued by the day. It's a fucking joke.

The shame is that most students are disengaged from the social structure of the university. I was extremely isolated and all my mates were non-students, which is probably actually a good thing. I felt like such an outsider though. It was only after I graduated that I met a few more Goldsmiths grads and they all felt the same. No wonder we couldn't find each other - we avoided the place like the plague! This is because entitled rich kids police the place to enforce their privilege. It excludes working class, BAME and non-leftists students which is wrong.

This place actually destroys your left wing sympathies. When everyone is pushing an agenda on your the natural reaction is to resist. However, it took me years to un do the relativistic post modern thinking. Only just got back to my socialism. Then Corbyn broke my heart.

Um, Aimee 'My Daddy is a paedophile rapist' Challenor is the LGBT rep at the OU. And no doubt rewriting all their policies.

Cesira
Meg John Barker (partner of Edward Lord) is a lecturer at the OU.

Is the OU still free of this stuff?

Since its main trade is people who are older, more experienced, more diverse and in many cases existing graduates doing it for fun I suspect that Aimee Challoner has a great deal less traction than they think. There aren't a lot of impressionable eighteen year olds, nor an obvious channel via which they can be influenced.

DJLippy
"I felt like such an outsider though. It was only after I graduated that I met a few more Goldsmiths grads and they all felt the same. No wonder we couldn't find each other - we avoided the place like the plague! This is because entitled rich kids police the place to enforce their privilege. It excludes working class, BAME and non-leftists students which is wrong. "

That's how it works: reject a narrative that goes against your experience, boundaries, criticality and perception - and be excluded.

Accept a doctrine that means putting your experience and criticality on hold - perhaps win the goodies on offer by being included (a foot in the door of the Left-wing establishment) - but risk completely fucking up (because you've swallowed so much nonsense you've lost your criticality) and fucking over others.

The winners were always the people for whom exclusion and disadvantage were only ever a game, tokens, something to be used to gain points and power.

And I think there is a section like that in the Labour Party right now. It IS heart-breaking. And scary.

Um, Aimee 'My Daddy is a paedophile rapist' Challenor is the LGBT rep at the OU

Oh

I guess we know why their latest advert is about how the OU is the ideal place for trans students, then.

Wow. Literal actual tankies. That's not a thing I see often even in my more-lefty-than-thou circles.

They've been shamed out of most actual leftist groups.

I'm an OU student and I saw the ad with Sam Feeney. Someone wrote a strongly gender critical piece for our course though and got away with it.

Meg John Barker (partner of Edward Lord) is a lecturer at the OU

I am starting to take this personally.

And there was me feeling all slightly smug that I'd avoided an Evergreen Style, Devaluation of Degree risk as compensation for him clinging to Italy like particularly persistent ivy.

Are the faculties kind of insulted from one another, or do they leak all over each other's work and course content ?

Given that this all seems to have started with Kennedy it's astounding to think how much damage one really determined malignant individual can do to an institution.

(And that goes for the OU and the two there too.)