The Times investigation - paedophile in women's prison

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The Sunday Times have followed up on yesterday's article about the convicted sex offender placed in New Hall prison (which worryingly has a mother and baby unit).
Further details about the prisoner's long list of sexual offences and predatory behaviour towards women and children - which makes it unbelievable that the Ministry of Justice would have placed them in a women's prison. Share token here:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/why-was-convicted-paedophile-allowed-to-move-to-a-female-jail-nmpbfm272?shareToken=44b4789c08c3b46daa187bf986905182

I shared on fb this morning - no comments or responses at all

I shared it too. I got a fair few responses, oddly mainly from men, saying how disgusting it is that this was allowed to happen. One reply about it being the lefts fault (pointed out its the Tories wanting to introduce self ID too and had no answer to that)

Oddly though, the few handmaidens who usually jump on my posts about thistopic (usually with the 'it never happens' nonsense) are being totally silent. I guess even they cannot justify it, so instead of condemning, will pretend they didn't see it (when they have never missed a trans post before)

This never happens so of course it didn't happen even thought it did. Reality is so inconvenient sometimes.

Who would have thought this would ever come to pass and is ever acceptable on any level? Same with erasing one's criminal history.

The system is wilfully blind to women's safety and dignity. What concerns me is who made this decision? Whatever panel, they are showing they are not fit for purpose, as Warboys demonstrated. I did read in that case that he brought in private psychiatrists to argue against badly prepared, inexperienced, grossly overworked, junior state employed ones.

So psychopath meets austerity and outsourcing and finds an open door again. A bonus gift is a manual on how to continue your offending, enabled by a broken system.

I shared this on Facebook also, got a couple of comments and had a bit of a discussion. Seemed to go off on a couple of tangents but I think just talking about it is good.
One of my good friends seems to have peaked, even though I can tell she's uncomfortable with it.
Also noted the lack of responses from the usual handmaid's, one in particular was defending their position and twaw, not heard a peep since jess Bradley. Funny that.

So psychopath meets austerity and outsourcing and finds an open door again. A bonus gift is a manual on how to continue your offending, enabled by a broken system.

YY.

It has to be a very special kind of psychiatrist who wants to defend a serial rapist, who preumably they hardly know. But we have some truly monstrous ones in the UK.

And the Times has a further investigation into KW - that's three days running - they are not going to let this drop. I noticed that the Mail as well as the Guardian have now picked this up

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/rapist-karen-white-in-women-s-jail-was-trans-faker-lbcwjp8jc?shareToken=6a0ef90504ca46b100297d878deb3940

The handmaidens on my FB have been completely silent about this and any trans issues for a few days but are now back to posting TWAW! and Trans women and non binaries are valid! and even stupid cartoon memes about how TERFs are now FARTs.

Those that keep insisting that TWAW are doing their cause no favours atm, when viewed in conjunction with the KW story. They'll just look thick.

I'm so disappointed that the David Challenor case hasn't been linked more widely though - those are the scandals that will make people really sit up and listen.

Re. The Times. I'm pleased that they are taking the lead on this, rather than The Mail, as it is likely to be read widely by those with the power to stop this. Any MP who says 'I didn't know' is a liar or a total incompetent.

David Gauke, the Justice secretary has just been interviewed by Nick Cohen on the “Today” programme on radio 4.
Cohen brought up the Karen White case, in brief Gauke said it was a failure of procedure not policy, so it seems he thinks it’s ok for men to be in women’s prisons generally.
There can’t be many of these decisions as to whether trans men should be in women’s prisons. We really need an enquiry. Gauke wasn’t asked about this.

Guake also failed to see the difficulty when it is no longer possible to say "woman" and know what it means.

I got a fair few responses, oddly mainly from men, saying how disgusting it is that this was allowed to happen.

When we see the way these "trans" activists are influencing government policy, it's hard to remember that most men love their wives, and their mothers, and their daughters and want them to be safe, and that a very large proportion of men respect women in general and are as shocked at this development as anyone else.

It's the fact that the implications of these blanket "I am what I am" claims by vicious, perverted individuals (exclusively male, as far as I can see) aren't really recognised or publicised - the aggressive shouting down of opposition, the "you don't know what it's like to be trapped in the wrong body", the "we have RIGHTS" - it all serves to muddy the waters and hide the truth - that this is a MEN'S way of preventing WOMEN from having real and total autonomy. The spaces which were safe will no longer be so.

How can we women (and good men) fight this? We do need men on board in this battle, though I worry that it could be construed in property terms if we aren't very careful ("You can't go into this woman's space because I don't want you raping 'my' property").

As long as the population of both sexes remains complacent, the ones who shout loudest will win - are winning. We really need to push for definition according to birth sex, with perhaps exceptions for transgendered individuals who are surgically altered on a case-by-case basis (they seem to be comparatively few and far between).

Does anyone remember a thread last year about someone’s friend working in a Female bail hostel where there was a TW sex offender and the inmates and staff were terrified?

I wonder if it could have been Rapist Karen White ?

Victoria Derbyshire will be covering this just after 10:30.

One of the complicating factors for these assessments (when they actually happen) is the number of times that transgender sex offenders change their names. And gender of course.

Stephen Wood/David Thompson/Karen White

Mark Lawson/ Karen Louise Lawson/Karen Jones

Does anybody have great faith in the justice system's ability to track all these name changes, gender changes and associated convictions? Because I don't. They don't seem to be on top of the basics, like how many male inmates are in female prisons so my faith is not great on them taking on more complicated sums.

And of course, there is a legal case afoot to help men get rid of male crimes when they "become" women.

Presumably you will be able to become a woman, get rid of the male crimes and then become a man again with a clean record.

The legal case seeks to remove from a transwoman's criminal record and searchable information online any crime that reveals their sex. There are only a few crimes that are sex specific, rape being the best known.

The legal action also seeks to give offenders the power to have reports of their crimes removed from the internet once the offence is spent.

Both these objectives are very concerning. People have a right to be able to find reports that, for instance, a man was sentenced for rape or paedophilia however far in the past. Sex offences are not like shop lifting.