'Momentum' video on transgenderism

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Was shocked to see this come up on my newsfeed.

The bit where they say: "Your children will definitely have trans friends, they might even be trans themselves" sent shivers down my spine.

Are we supposed to just accept this as inevitable?

It's from Corbyn's main supporters' group I think.

www.facebook.com/PeoplesMomentum/videos/1934599106834234/
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Isn't they Juno Dawson in that video?

Juno 'I think there are a lot of gay men out there who are gay men as a consolation prize because they couldn’t be women.' Dawson?

Makes the whole 'homophobia' part of that video rather ironic doesn't it?

Yes it is Juno Dawson.

The trans issue is nothing like homophobia

"Your children will definitely have trans friends, they might even be trans themselves"

I thought it is estimated that 0.5% of the population is trans? Isn't it one of the arguments that self id is no problem because so few people are trans, so unlikely to any impact on sex segregated spaces?

Yet my children will definitely have trans friends.

I think we need a definitive definition of trans, because this isn't adding up.

thought the same. blatant homobhobia. because, obviously, not being a life long patient paying through your nose for hormones and surgeries (or obsessing about always having a plan that pays) and feeling at home in your intact body without that long list of negative side-effects on your health that hormones and surgery have, is somehow the consolation price.
unbelievable. very disturbing how Corbyn's Labour is hijacked by this cult.

Ah yes, Juno Dawson of the coquettishly raised eyebrows and the quite appalling homophobia.

I'll not be taking lessons in bigotry from Momentumites, frankly, given the utter shower around antisemitism right now, and I certainly won't be taking seriously someone who has said what Juno has said about homosexuality when they start comparing the struggle of gay people to the current homophobic transactivist movement.

An instructive video on how certain things are manipulated to cosset all those daft Corbots into rightsideofhistoryism.

"You don't want to be embarrassed, do you? You want to be one of the cool kids, don't you?"

I've just seen this on my Facebook. The whole thing made me uncomfortable. Using the gay debate to normalise trans and make out anything less than unquestioning support makes you evil. It's 2 completely different issues!

As schools and the wider society become more welcoming places for trans kids, I imagine our children may well have a trans friend within their circle.

"Your children will definitely have trans friends, they might even be trans themselves"

No they don't - anyway I thought they were meant to be a very small percentage of the population in such small numbers that it is unnecessary for women to worry about them? So how could it be that all children will definitely have trans friends?

There are comments on that video equating people who are concerned about safeguarding in the face of self ID with homophobes. Which is interesting given the interview Juno gave with the Independent containing the quotation given above by Mrbatmun . The problem is people accept the video at face value (and the comments) because they are ignorant of what has really been said by those involved and most of those people would rather remain ignorant as anything T&*(s say is automatically discounted however rational and measured it may be.

As schools and the wider society become more welcoming places for trans kids, I imagine our children may well have a trans friend within their circle.

Not if gender dysphoria is as rare as we are told. Ah, but then again that isn't a requirement anymore is it? Shame the same schools won't be more welcoming for girls.

Nope, don't know any at all.

As schools and the wider society become more welcoming places for trans kids, I imagine our children may well have a trans friend within their circle.

When you say 'trans' in this context, what exactly do you mean? I thought gender dysphoria was very rare, that only a tiny percentage of people have it?

Society becoming more welcoming to trans kids = lots of mechanisms set up to paint changing sex as an identity 'option' with no thought to the actual real life struggles and vulnerabilities of children and adolescents.

Yep, I don't doubt that there will be more 'trans kids' in that scenario. And there will be nasty consequences further down the line for the people that pushed this ideology. Sadly those consequences will mostly be borne by the poor kids who have been so royally fucked up by the people who need them to be so that the fetishists can be validated.

I'm assuming the numbers will increase once children who feel uncomfortable in their own skin see that society welcomes them. Even if they are a tiny minority, we have a duty to respect them.

What about gay women, Juno? Oh I forgot. Anyone born female doesn't matter anyway.

I'm gay. I'm not a bloody man. I have no desire, suppressed or otherwise, to be a man, some people just are gay. Anyone who wants to redefine me into a man for their own purposes is in need of a good therapist. That's an outrageous statement.

And again this is the problem with comparing the trans agenda to the gay rights movement.

Gay people, quite rightly, didn't want being gay to be seen as a mental illness. Because being gay is just about what you like and who you find attractive isn't it?

But as part of the trans movement co-opting all things gay rights, they have had to start dropping the whole gender dysphoria 'born in the wrong body' thing. Because being gay isn't seen as a mental illness so neither should being trans. Because TRAs want to be able to compare them forever more for their 'wrong side of history' arguments, as per the video.

But, if there is no mental illness attached, then what exactly is the justification for chopping of bits of healthy body and taking drugs that will make you irreversibly sterile?

I'm assuming the numbers will increase once children who feel uncomfortable in their own skin see that society welcomes them.

Why do you think these children feel uncomfortable in their own skin?

MyDoctor Most definitely these children must not be cast out and need our protection - all the more as adult strangers with paraphila are drawn to them like moths to the flame, actively trying to enstrange them from family and/or anyone else, who might protect them from grooming.

Just look at Aimee Challenor - safeguarding to protect AC from daddy DC was definitely amiss, and for other kids of the family, too.

Mrbatmun, shhh, we don't ask questions like that. That's conversion therapy.

Labour have used this tactic before. I posted this thread about a video which made a similar argument:

We need to talk about Labour
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3261952-we-need-to-talk-about-labour

"Why do you think these children feel uncomfortable in their own skin?"

I'm not clued up on the whole thing, but I guess if you believe yourself to be a boy, but have the body of a girl (and vice versa), that must feel pretty awkward. I wouldn't want them to feel left out.

And the comparisons with old school thinking that educating children about homosexuality was wrong and would turn them gay is a load of crap as well.

You can't 'turn someone gay' by telling them about it and telling them that it's OK to be gay. Being gay is about what you like, you can't make someone think they are gay if they are not because they will realise they are not when they don't have feelings of attraction to the same sex! You can't force those sorts of feelings either way, they are what they are.

However I absolutely believe that you can make someone think they are transgender, if you bring them up to believe that if they like things outside certain parameters, that if they are more comfortable in certain clothes or doing certain things, that there is something wrong with them, that needs correcting.

They definitely do have "trans" friends because it's being pushed left right and centre. How many of those children will be destroyed by these morons remains to be seen.

but I guess if you believe yourself to be a boy, but have the body of a girl

What sorts of things might make a girl believe she was actually a boy? Do you think there could be external societal factors at play there? Do you think it would be classed as 'gender dysphoria', a mental illness? Something is 'wrong' that needs correcting, yes?

Do you believe that treatment could include trying to get that girl to accept her perfectly healthy body as it is, and that the things which make her think she is a boy are actually perfectly fine things for a girl to feel, or do you think treatment should mean total affirmation that that girl is actually indeed a boy (even though that is not actually true) and therefore needs to undergo all manner of things to make her appear on the outside more like a boy?

I wouldn't want them to feel left out.

Probably best not to lie to them though. Going to be crushing when they realise that it's not true.

My concern is that if my son or daughter brought home a trans friend, that I would say or do something that made them feel unwelcome. I try not to judge.