Dr Adrian Harrop thread the third, yes we've edited the title*...

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Cross over from the Green Party terf blocker stuff.

Harrop and his merry band of TRAs are trying to convince Caroline Lucas that it's all the fault of evil terfs really.

So there's Harrop, known harrasser of gender critical women, Terf Blocker, known for lass blocking and reporting of GC women, and LisaQuestions who identified David Challenor's victim

Green, stop it. You are so far off the mark here I am a little stunned you've had another go. Your views are unpleasant and nothing to do with the motivations most of us share in this endeavour.

This is not an anti LGBT campaign, and I do not stand with you and your views about gay people. I was never part of a school LGB group and I discovered I was attracted to girls all by my lonesome with no outside coercion or conversion.

Whatever else you may be saying that j agree with, your 'gay agenda' moral panic stuff is not something I can stand with at all. You're wrong, and you won't help women with this sort of thing.

Green. Many people here are lesbians. Go away.

That was not what I was saying at all. I was saying that if my child had decided they were bisexual gay lesbian whatever I would have been fully supportive of that.

However I do think there is a little bit of pushing of the agenda going on in schools at the moment which could lead to pressurising and confusing children.

My son is gay

It's a sexual orientation, not a fetish.. Huge difference. He actually was "born gay"

No amount of "influence" could make him that way, nor persuade him otherwise.

Green...you are wrong and you don't sound anything like a person I would want on my "team"

I think we need to be really, really thoughtful about how we approach the topics of sex and relationships with young people whatever their orientation. Young people are finding out who they are and don't have the benefit of experience. It's really that simple.

I agree with Floral.
Please cut it out Green.
It's frankly ludicrous and totally offensive to think LGBT+ groups have an agenda to turn kids into something they are not, or to deny the existence of homophobia or transphobia.

I would think. TerfedOff, year 7 when they've just started secondary and most are still not quite at puberty is perhaps a bit young for an LGBT group?

IME the only group in schools with a real agenda to turn kids into something they're not is the CU

Green, GTFO.

Anyfucker I saw you highlighted born gay. If that was because of my earlier post and I offended you in any way then I'm sorry. I just couldn't think of better wording to say that it is innate, not learned.

I think AF was rebutting green, not you Mip. Green has hopefully been shown the door now.

As if LGB people would try to change kids’ sexuality. As if a lifetime of subtle conversion therapy by a heteronormative society, that can leave you utterly isolated and demoralised, is so fun we want to inflict it on the younger generation. You don’t really get a toaster if you convert 5 straights you know.

Just wanted to make sure I hadn't upset someone with my stupidity.

@ErrolTheDragon yes I agree now and maybe I was a little naive allowing him to go along however I just thought it would be a fun group to get him interested in and supportive of LGB matters.

The group itself within the school was actively recruiting year sevens to go along by holding a party with free food and sweets etc after school.

All that happened was that he got very confused. And unhappy.

Mip, I very much doubt you upset anyone. That was solely the gift that Green brought us.

It wasn't you @MIP

I'm sorry that happenedTerfed. Is he ok now?

Thanks for asking yes do you know what he is back to being the outgoing happy child he was before it all happened collecting ants for Ant Farms and playing with his little brothers in the garden.

This is why I do think that there is a form of maybe not grooming but possibly pushing the agenda at the moment in schools. I query the need for an LGBT society in any school actually. Surely we should be at the point where it's not necessary to have such a groups and maybe it could be an outside of school activity.

I'd like to think that being gay or lesbian or heterosexual just doesn't raise any eyebrows anymore and perhaps kids could just get on with going to school without this being an issue.

I think perhaps there are some clubs in school which should certainly be allowed to exist and quietly pin ads to notice boards but shouldn't be encouraged to actively recruit impressionable kids. Examples might be the lgbt soc, the CU. Societies for any specific political party (in contrast to a nonpartisan politics discussion group) might be unwise too.

I'm so glad he's doing ok. And that he feels able to talk to you about it.

Being peer to peer is a difficult one for a group about relationships. People go to not feel like they are the only one. But part of that means they will want others to be in relationships too so they may well be pushing unintentionally. They wont want yo be the first. I can easily see there being pressure there even with no bad intentions.

Aand meanwhile in Dr Christian land, still defending cultural child marriage.
Also he doesn't like the facial surgery some celeb has had.

I kind of get what Christian is saying in regards to child marriages. I don’t for one minute think he is saying it’s ok. But it is a cultural norm in that area, running in all guns blazing screaming that the western way is correct and they are disgusting etc will not stop what is going on. My view is, we need to listen, ask questions, find out why they marry children and take it from there. Really, who are we to say it’s wrong? (Obviously I believe it is) that’s not how we stop this kind of thing from happening. Questioning and education is the way to go. Harrop though I think is just jumping on the bandwagon and saying he agrees because he just hates women and no matter their age, he wants them to come to harm. I’m ashamed that I defended him on a thread once. Now I see him for what he is I don’t believe for one minute he doesn’t give a fuck about those young girls being married off because they are in their correct box and not annoying the men folk.

As for Christian saying what he has about plastic surgery, it’s exactly what I’m saying about trans surgeries. I’m not sure where he is on the debate so I won’t comment any further.

twitter.com/girlsnotbrides/status/1046988154421596160?s=21

Anyone who dismisses child marriage as a cultural practice that we shouldn't judge is someone who simply doesn't care about women and children.

Developing countries cannot develop whilst half the population are denied education, health, contraception. Why should western countries give aid for anything if they won't address the root cause of many of the problems?

www.theindianfeed.in/had-a-child-marriage-faced-domestic-violence-marital-rape-this-stunt-woman-is-a-hero/

Also I was being a little ironic about Dr C disapproving of the celeb plastic surgery because somehow I don't think he is going to name and shame surgeons who mutilate the healthy bodies of teenagers suffering gender dysphoria.