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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Aimee suspended on no fault basis

104 replies

MipMipMip · 31/08/2018 21:58

Just that. Wanted people to get the news asap as only on BBC 10 minutes. Apologies if someone has already posted.

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IAmLurkacus · 01/09/2018 10:52

Bit Trojan horse like isn’t it? It’s what happened in the Birmingham schools but on a national scale.

R0wantrees · 01/09/2018 10:57

And cross - organisation. It's all very tin-foil-hattery, but it has crossed my mind a few times that sometimes it seems almost as if there is a co-ordinated attempt to put as many TRAs into positions of power in as many influential places as possible.

From discussions on many threads here, this certainly seems to have happened / is happening. What has been striking is that in many appointments, the TRA often has no prior specialist knowledge in the area or wider diversity concerns. Whether the appointment is in Sports, NHS, Education, Media etc they have become very influential in the creation of policies which whilst primarilly intentioned to assert trans rights, also have a significant impact on the nature of services provided to all service users, customers, public etc.

R0wantrees · 01/09/2018 11:05

An example in the context of this thread might be Aimee Challenor's involvement in promoting / defending the CRUK cervical smear campaign for 'people with cervixes'

June 15th 2018 Aimee Challoner on RT:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHEMGZjiStc

Charliethefeminist · 01/09/2018 11:07

Operation Trans MP is extremely important. A trans MP would instantly and automatically be on the Women and Equalities Committee. They would have influence and reach way beyond the influence and reach of any normal single MP.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 01/09/2018 11:11

What I forgot to say in my original post about the tin-foil-hattery, which has been alluded too, is that all of these TRAs in different positions in different organisations all seem to have far more loyalty to TRAs than to their organisations.

See Lily Madigan campaigning almost entirely for Trans rights, or Aimee doing the same and ignoring the L,B, & G part of their role.

Charliethefeminist · 01/09/2018 11:11

Imagine this. One trans MP on the WE Ctte - their word would be considered the absolute authority on all things trans, particularly among men who find the whole thing icky, men who wish to seem woke, women who defer, and women who want to keep their seats. And look at the posdibles: none is female and none has ever shown the slightest concern for women's sex based rights.

noeffingidea · 01/09/2018 11:12

What the fuck has cervical cancer got to do with Aimee Challenor? They should keep their fucking nose out of women's health issues.

Charliethefeminist · 01/09/2018 11:16

It's not tin foil hattery at all. It's the whole bloody point. I would rather have five or ten trans MPs than one. One alone is vulnerable, a victim, the only trans opinion available. Ten might disagree, or would be obviously too solely focused on the rights of a tiny number of people, would be forced to demonstrate a range of interests and a balance of opinions. The thing about trans activists (rather than transsexuals generally) is that it's All About Trans. Trans is the ONLY story in town for these activists.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 01/09/2018 11:16

But Aimee is a woman, a woman who is cruelly excluded from ever having cervical cancer.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 01/09/2018 11:17

It's not tin foil hattery at all. It's the whole bloody point

So who's behind it then. Madigan and Challenor just seem like pawns in this

Charliethefeminist · 01/09/2018 11:22

No idea but agree with you about the 20 year olds

Charliethefeminist · 01/09/2018 11:35

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R0wantrees · 01/09/2018 11:37

Imagine this. One trans MP on the WE Ctte - their word would be considered the absolute authority on all things trans

WE comittee already has a male 'anti-feminist' MP Philip Davies.
December 2016 Guardian article:
(extract)
"A Conservative MP who faced heavy criticism after claiming that the justice system was skewed to discriminate against men has been elected on to a parliamentary committee that scrutinises issues linked to women’s rights and equality.

Philip Davies, whose claim that “feminist zealots really do want women to have their cake and eat it” was exposed by the Guardian in August, was elected unopposed to fill a Tory place in the grouping.

The decision led to an outcry on Twitter with Sophie Walker, the leader of the Women’s Equality party, one of the first to respond" (continues)

www.theguardian.com/world/2016/dec/13/anti-feminist-tory-mp-philip-davies-elected-to-equalities-committee

Charliethefeminist · 01/09/2018 11:38

I don't know if I'm allowed to post lists of names?

Charliethefeminist · 01/09/2018 11:41

Rowan can you get ready to save something sorry to ask

Charliethefeminist · 01/09/2018 11:48

Messaged you! My phone is dying

placemats · 01/09/2018 11:48

From the BBC link the conclusion in fact:

Following the suspension, Clare Lorraine Phipps, acting chair and secretary of Green Party Women, said: "We will be standing by Aimee throughout her no-fault suspension and closely following the investigation to ensure that difficult lessons are indeed learnt by the party."

What does 'difficult lessons' mean in this context?

It's like no one who has a position of power within the Party is able to say what they actually mean.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-coventry-warwickshire-45373833

The headline!

Green Party suspends member over father's child rape conviction

I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that.

R0wantrees · 01/09/2018 11:49

I fully support anything that enables better representation of the public in Parliament.
I'm sure that there are are other groups of people who are not represented and who are openly working to improve this.
Not sure why those who are transgender and working towards political representation would need to be restricted?

I know Sue Pascoe for example (now consultatant to Channel 4) has talked of her hope to stand as Conservative MP.

Charliethefeminist · 01/09/2018 11:52

I didn't say they'd need to be restricted. I said they would automatically have undue influence for a newly elected single MP.

Charliethefeminist · 01/09/2018 11:56

MPs need to have a range of interests as well as a special area of interest, and need to be able to listen and understand and debate and compromise. Show me the transactivist on that road.

Ereshkigal · 01/09/2018 11:56

What the fuck has cervical cancer got to do with Aimee Challenor? They should keep their fucking nose out of women's health issues.

This.

littlbrowndog · 01/09/2018 11:56

It’s like a big spiders web. Which rowan (ta rowan so much).

But who are the big spiders pulling the wee spiders about. The big spiders seem to use the wee spiders as foot solders

littlbrowndog · 01/09/2018 11:57

Aieee meant to say which rowan is pulling togherher

Charliethefeminist · 01/09/2018 11:59

Plus I actually just said I'd rather have ten trans MPs than one. It's not the trans-ness - it's the laser focus single issue at the expense of women.

NothingOnTellyAgain · 01/09/2018 12:03

"In its support of Aimee the Party should have made clear that she was in care/supported independent living and therefore not living at home during the period the police have stated the crimes took place."

Is that true?
I don't think that's true.
I think I've seen things elsewhere incluidng from Aimee that contradict that? >> anyone else?