Aimee suspended on no fault basis

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Just that. Wanted people to get the news asap as only on BBC 10 minutes. Apologies if someone has already posted.

That statement also talks about ‘victims’ plural.

Bit off topic but I am curious about Rose West as I was Hindley, as both were trafficked from childhood and horrendously abused so effectively became puppets of the murdering sexual sadists and had any value system of their own replaced by their that of their torturer - as is common in captivity & cults.

This phrase of the daughter from the Mail article spoke to me:

‘We feel stigmatised, of course we do. We were overlooked by the authorities while our parents abused us sexually and physically as kids, and now as adults they say: “You’re from an abusive family. We’ll have to keep an eye on you.”’

How demeaning and re-traumatising - ignored as children and left in harm's way and then told as adults we suspect you may put others in harm's way so will monitor you. I mean if she was applying to work with children and Scouts/Guides etc then yes - obviously - but she has that insight herself that it's not wise nor does she want that responsibility on her conscience - ie she knows her abuse has left boundary legacies (totally different from what we have seen in AC's response where the entitlement shines through).

But as we see - the real perpetrators know how to manipulate the system and go undetected whilst the innocents play by the rules and pay the stigma-penalty for that. The risks known about are not the only ones that need monitoring and some people are bigger risks than others - it seems that discernment is not utilised as it should be and there's a real risk that safeguarding can then be a blunt instrument wielded by a faceless bureaucracy

Either these people are fit for the political arena or they are too young and vulnerable. Many seem to dish out (in the public arena) far more than they've taken (in the public arena).

If the Green Party needs to protect them it should have protected them long ago and needs to take responsibility for not doing so.

The Challoner children's home life sounds like hell. Was it, for all of them? . I don't know. But what I've read, it sounds like that.

Give me a break - that GP statement has PR consultant written all over it - and how dare they say "they have been at the forefront of work against male violence against women" - seems like only certain types of women from all their anti-women activity and rhetoric.

And then they defend the supposed scapegoating of AC - who are they referring to? It's not scapegoating to highlight inappropriate and risky behaviours. They conflate trans with "can never do any wrong" all the time. This is not about that. It's about the GP not scapegoating whistle-blowers - which they continue to do time and time again - seems like they are very slow learners at best and willfully blind at worse.

“It said the suspension had been made following a number of complaints“

Jesus Christ, they really were just going to let it slide. ‘We take safeguarding seriously’...okay yup.

This is a real problem. It's dangerous.

I know a family (very well) who were affected by this (a similar) thing.

The wife and family, I can testify, did not know what the husband/father was up to.

How do I know? The wife threw him out on the day the house was raided at 6am by police officers and he was arrested.

What Aimee has done is extremely dodgy - and if we are going to argue that Aimee is too young/too inexperienced to realise this - then Aimee should not have been given much responsibility and power by the Green Party.

Either way, this is mainly on the Green Party - they have allowed a trans candidate to effectively be teflon-coated because they are are trans. It;s a trans-wash.

Aimee definitely knew about the animal abuse conviction though? That should have been enough for her to avoid him.

The statement by Green Party women is extraordinary, they are "supporting" Aimee against their own party. It would be very interesting to know who exactly wrote that statement - I would not be surprised if the leadership of Green Party women is in part, or completely, trans identified.
Hopefully the leadership of other parties will see this and realise that it is easy to invite the camel into the tent but a lot less easy to get them out when they start destroying the place.

What about Tina?

Green party women are undermining an investigation...

The statement by Green Party women is extraordinary, they are "supporting" Aimee against their own party.

They are treating Aimee like women treat a mentally ill fragile young man. Yet another example of how nobody actually deep down believes that TWAW.

The investigation needs to look into the Challenor's network within the party. That women's statement comes pretty close to admitting they knew about the charges: In its support of Aimee the Party should have made clear that she was in care/supported independent living and therefore not living at home during the period the police have stated the crimes took place.

Anyone who did know and kept quiet is even more culpable than Aimee in my opinion. A child (albeit an adult one) being in denial about / covering up for a parent is one thing. Other party members had no family ties to mess with their judgment and, if they did collude they should not only be concerned about letting down Aimee. Think on GreenWomen if you're reading.

I read that interview with the Wests' daughter this morning, it's interesting and sad how manipulated by her mother she was - you could draw parallels and conclude that AC is still being groomed by DC. It should have raised massive red flags that AC was so obsessed with attacking women and removing safeguarding. Those charges were made in 2015. No excuses.

womanformallyknownaswoman Rose West certainly came from an abusive background but Myra Hindley did not. Her family were perfectly normal respectable working class people, and there's no evidence she was abused as a child. It's one of the baffling things about her case, and hardest to comprehend. Sometimes people are just evil.

I agree with you about parallels pach. It's why I am pointing the finger in the direction of the Green Party rather than at Aimee.

I had been thinking about parallels with the West case for some time now but had been reluctant to post as have been deleted in the past for mentioning (in a more general context) Savile and hiding in plain sight...interesting that now many comparisons are being made to Savile and no deletions.

Adding the 'no fault' phrase was probably the only way they could convince Aimee to accept a suspension.

Also I don't think Aimee would accept a suspension without having some control over the way the 'investigation' is done, the way the suspension is presented ('no fault'), and I suspect Aimee has insisted that they have some control over the final result too. I doubt they would be quiet about their displeasure otherwise, they are a bully used to getting their own way and have some influential and aggressive supporters who will back them up.

The statement by Green Party women is extraordinary, they are "supporting" Aimee against their own party. It would be very interesting to know who exactly wrote that statement - I would not be surprised if the leadership of Green Party women is in part, or completely, trans identified

According to their website greenpartywomen.org.uk/people/ :
The Equality and Diversity Coordinator(s) who sits on GPEx (our national Executive Committee) is/are also automatically a member of our Committee unless they are are a man

So Aimee would have been on the Green Women Committee. Interestingly despite a link at the top of the page that to "details of our current Green Party Women committee and how to get in touch with them" there are no details, just a contact email

Interestingly information on the committee members was present in Sept 2017...

<a class="break-all" href="http://web.archive.org/web/20170926142219/greenpartywomen.org.uk/people/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">web.archive.org/web/20170926142219/greenpartywomen.org.uk/people/

Obviously whether Aimee is trans shouldn’t come into it. But obviously people will make the link because her father was playing dress up as a little girl.
You don’t need much intelligence to start asking questions as to what was going on and normalised for Aimee at a young age.
If she had any inkling of the abuse It may not have been abnormal to her. Aimee seems to have an inability to see that the animal abuse (let alone child abuse) is incompatible with associating her father with the Green Party.
If she wasn’t trans I think newspapers and the bbc wouldnt hesitate to report more transparently on this.

It's hard to respond to that without a mouthful of expletives.

The Green Party machine is in utter disarray and they desperately need to start talking to each other before putting out statements as so far each statement contradicts the last.

There is an almighty scrabble of damage limitation and they are only making it worse by their shambolic reactive response.

It is perhaps interesting that the Global Greens LGBT+ network have not, as far as I know, suspended Aimee from her position, or made any statement.

This is an absolute fiasco.

The investigation needs to look into the Challenor's network within the party.

It may also need to consider possible cross-party networks too.

It may also need to consider possible cross-party networks too

And cross - organisation. It's all very tin-foil-hattery, but it has crossed my mind a few times that sometimes it seems almost as if there is a co-ordinated attempt to put as many TRAs into positions of power in as many influential places as possible.