should young girls go to prison for "false rape claims"

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nypost.com/2018/06/05/former-college-student-who-claimed-rape-admits-it-was-all-lies/

Won't sending her to prison make it harder for the real victims to come forward?

And what if she's mentally ill and needs help rather than criminal-minded?

@PlantsArePeopleToo

For all we know his suicide...

speculating is just crass and inappropriate

That is rather having your cake and eating it too.

Nothing in my post was speculation. Everything I said is out there in the public domain.

For all we know his suicide might have had nothing or very little to do with the rape accusation and he may well have committed suicide regardless considering his prior history.

If you don't think something should be discussed because you find it crass or disrespectful then I can sympathise but this is pure hypocrisy.

There has to be a serious deterrent to perjury and that has to be prison, really. Otherwise the courts can be used to settle any vendetta.

Jonathan Aitken was locked up for perjury with very few protesting that it was an unjust punishment, despite the fact he was only trying to get monetary damages on a libel case and there was no danger of anyone being permanently damaged or false imprisonment.

Gronky so you have decided in your court of 1 that the case you are talking about with plants was definitely a false accusation.

While plants says no-one knows.

In what way is your version the right one then?

You're guessing to support whatever argument it it you're trying to make here -
Which I'm still not sure what it is past wittering on about men being tied up and kicked to death by gangs of women only no that wont' work as even a large gang of women couldn't damage a lone tied up man.

What exactly is your purpose here on this thread?

I love how @Gronky is more interested in picking my post apart than admitting she was wrong to toss the phrase 'false accusation' around so carelessly.

I wasn't taking issue with their disagreement regarding the facts, I was taking issue with their speculating before making an appeal against speculation.

Regarding the rest of your message, I made no commentary either way on men being tied up and kicked to death by gangs of women. Might I suggest that you re-read the thread, paying particular attention to who said what? I really do hope this is just an honest misunderstanding on your part because, otherwise, it's disturbingly close to gaslighting.

@PlantsArePeopleToo , I note you have no interest in admitting that you both speculated on the facts surrounding a suicide then condemned people who do the same, all within one message.

I will take the high ground and admit that my terminology was incorrect.

the only girls I know of who 'invented false rape claims' did it because they were terrified of their dads finding out that they had sex lives....

the only girls I know of who 'invented false rape claims' did it because they were terrified of their dads finding out that they had sex lives

You personally know more than one ?

there were two of them, and two young men..:(

..and I said 'know of' not 'know' did I not?

Perjury carries a potential custodial tariff, and it should do.

It does not matter the false accusation is rape or libel (or any other criminal offence).

If it were not the case people could play the criminal system for their vendettas.

The standard of proof for perjury is the same as any other crime, beyond reasonable doubt. The fact that someone has been found innocent of tape does not lead to a perjury charge unless there is specific evidence of perjury. This is very rare.

and I said 'know of' not 'know' did I not?

Ok - and they are the only two girls that you know of that have 'invented false rape claims' and in both case the reason was the same - they did so because they were terrified of their fathers. Is that what you're saying ?

yes , well, it was a 'four in a bed' situation if you really want to know. The two girls were friends and had similar cultural backgrounds.
Are you calling me a liar or a fantasist? you couldn't make it up tbh.

of course you could.

well I can assure you I haven't.

OK.

but...just so I understand, there's two girls from similar (but not identical ?) cultural backgrounds having sex with (presumably) two men (were these the same two young men you already mentioned and of similar cultural background) all together in one bed - as you do - and then afterwards the girls then decide to conspire together to make false allegations of rape against their erstwhile lovers, so that their fathers remain ignorant of their sex lives ?

look I don't make up sick stories for mumsnet OK? Yes something like what you have said.

I blame the Patriarchy.

apologies gronky that was the now deleted dv thread

nothing

Why did the dv thread get deleted

I wondered where it had gone...its a pain watching all the threads in case one goes

Dunno

Was just trying to work out why I was confused - turns out 1 thread gone and I managed to conflate them in my head.

Message just said suspicion OP not in good faith (surprise surprise)

apologies gronky that was the now deleted dv thread

Thank you very much, I really, genuinely appreciate it. Sorry if my response was overly strong.