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Green Party statement

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Destinysdaughter · 25/08/2018 17:13

Sorry it’s so tiny, I screenshotted it on my phone from Twitter! It’s a bit mealy mouthed...

Green Party statement
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AngryAttackKittens · 25/08/2018 20:29

Just checked in with my dad and he had no idea either, and that's likely because he only reads the broadsheets.

So to answer your earlier question, AngryAttackKittens about addresses - and the silence by the Green Party - I expect it's because they thought he would be found not guilty.

Surely it would make sense to distance themselves anyway, just in case the verdict went the other way and also because even when someone isn't found guilty there's often still some lingering suspicion in the minds of the public.

Maybe I'm giving the Greens credit for more sense than I should, it just seems mad to me that they wouldn't sever any association as a preventative PR measure.

thecatfromjapan · 25/08/2018 20:30

Given the slowness of changing the address of the membership HQ + the response so far + the high-profile positions STILL held by family members who lived at the address during the abuse and the throughout the investigation, surely it's fair to suggest that the Coventry Green Party may well be - at present - a toxic environment?

ToeToToe · 25/08/2018 20:30

Amal - I thought not. And, yes that was my understanding of the injunction too.

Something has happened tonight, for the GP to release this statement. I wonder if it will be reported in the Sunday papers.

LassWiADelicateAir · 25/08/2018 20:30

Challenor , as was demonstrated on the deleted thread, had a penchant for him and his family appearing in trivial and pointless puff pieces in local papers. One of them was a piece of mindless guff about how he and his wife met.

CertainHalfDesertedStreets · 25/08/2018 20:31

I remember a head teacher lost her job and ability to teach because her husband was convicted of child abuse despite her being entirely innocent. I'm sure it's in the DBS checks that you have to admit to any associations that may involve safeguarding issues.

I've not worked in education for a couple of years so my memory is a bit hazy but one of you will hopefully confirm if I'm correct.

You can't work in a school if you live with someone who is barred from working with children (not sure if that is Sex Offenders Register or List 99). Schools do a 'barred by association' check.

AngryAttackKittens · 25/08/2018 20:31

That 10 year old is brave; her family should be so proud of her.

On that we can all agree, as well as that DC deserves an extra heaping of condemnation for creating a situation in which she had to testify against him at length.

ToeToToe · 25/08/2018 20:32

Angry - yes, I agree that would have been the sensible thing to do.

AngryAttackKittens · 25/08/2018 20:33

Still not sure why placemats had a go at me earlier for saying that...

thecatfromjapan · 25/08/2018 20:34

I completely agree with MaryZ

I strongly suspect the 'transphobia' explanation was wheeled out, along with a lot of pointing to DC's prominent 'respectability'.

That child and her family must have undergone a lot before this reached trial.

AngryAttackKittens · 25/08/2018 20:36

DC's conviction alongside his previous tendency to seek local publicity is exactly why the term "pillar of the community" has always raised my hackles.

ToeToToe · 25/08/2018 20:41

There's definitely a Jimmy Saville feel about the whole thing - charity runs, scout master, Green Party activist, paedophile.....

Seemingly he didn't have quite so much of a grip over those in power as Saville though...

Amalfimamma · 25/08/2018 20:41

ToeToToe

That was my first thought too

Maryzsnewaccount · 25/08/2018 20:42

There are a few simple questions though:

Can you be a scout leader if you have a conviction for animal cruelty?
Can you be a gymnastic coach if you have aconviction for animal cruelty?
Does the DBS ask for disclosure of charges, or only declaration of convictions?
Does the DBS not search addresses as well as names ?

I've always felt that DBS checks weren't worth the paper they were written on, but this really is proof.

thecatfromjapan · 25/08/2018 20:45

Thinking more about this, given how central at least three of the Challoner were in the local Party, there is no way on earth other members of the Party wouldn't have known about the investigation.

And yet his wife continued as Membership Secretary, he was Aimee's Campaign Secretary, and the Crime Scene was the registered address for membership enquiries.

They clearly didn't take the nature of the allegations any where near seriously enough. Because people WOULD have heard about it. DC has a Facebook protesting his innocence, FFS.

What were the other members thinking????

The local Coventry Green Party sounds utterly fucked up.

TheFemaleGaze · 25/08/2018 20:45

I think the deleting of tweets and (family) pictures bothers me the most. Perhaps a better approach would have been to address it head on?

ToeToToe · 25/08/2018 20:45

Oh and his nickname was Baloo Challenor. He dressed up as a bear to earn this nickname, both for his fun runs, and I have read, in his Scout master duties.

His FB is under the name Baloo, and so was some of his GP stuff.

He also designed the memes "Transwomen are Women" for the Green Party recently, and proposed (trans rights related) motions at the last Conference. People on twitter have provided evidence for all this.

OrchidInTheSun · 25/08/2018 20:45

You would think that someone who has had all their children forcibly taken into care plus had a conviction for animal cruelty would be deemed inappropriate as a scout leader. The scouts have some questions to answer as well as the Green Party and that gymnastics club. Where the hell is the safeguarding?

AngryAttackKittens · 25/08/2018 20:47

Shit, Maryz, hadn't even thought of that part. Why can you do those things if you have a conviction for animal cruelty, given that we already know how often animal cruelty escalates to crimes against humans?

CertainHalfDesertedStreets · 25/08/2018 20:47

Well believe it or not but there are very few crimes which, if revealed on a DBS, actually automatically disbar you from working with children. And - again this is unbelievable - rape of an adult doesn't come into that category. So no - not animal cruelty either I'm afraid.

ToeToToe · 25/08/2018 20:48

God. I thought we'd meant to have learned lessons from Ian Huntley.

Safeguarding of children is in tatters.

thecatfromjapan · 25/08/2018 20:49

And it's STILL only the nasty TERFS who are raising objections to this.

The failure of safeguarding in a political Party. The issues raised. And, it seems, we're the only members of the general public who take this crime seriously and are prepared to name it for what it is (a curious dissonance with the law, which also named it and regards it as serious).

The media - largely silent.

No wonder certain groups hate us and want to silence us.

THIS is what they want kept silent.

Shameful.

thecatfromjapan · 25/08/2018 20:51

And , in particular, shame on you, Green Party.

IfNotNowThenWhen1 · 25/08/2018 20:52

Searched again " david challenor aimee challenor green party"and got the Twitter statement but that's it. Am I spelling it wrong? My spelling is not amazing.
Surprised it's not a bigger scandal RE Greens.
I read the independent article that I was linked to-thanks popchyck.
That poor little girl. So horrible. Sad

Maryzsnewaccount · 25/08/2018 20:54

CertainHalfDesertedStreets, are you really saying that someone can have convictions and still work with children? I know people who have been turned down for volunteer roles here because of motoring convictions (one for failure to pay fines, of all things, the other for a 20 year old drink driving conviction).

I'll take your word for it on the rape conviction matter, because to be quite honest it makes me so angry I want to scream.

I find it hard to believe that a recent conviction for anything, added to the fact that children were taken into care from that address wouldn't show up on a check, and that at the very least a few questions would be asked.

I'm beginning to think that neither DC nor any other members of his family were actually DBS checked at all. And that the Green Party has allowed someone to be their spokesperson and represent them in matters relating to children with no safeguarding measures taken at all.

ToeToToe · 25/08/2018 20:55

IfNot:

Here's the Daily Mail www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6091221/The-torture-den-pervert-kept-girl-captive-acted-sadomasochistic-fantasies.html

Here's the Metro:
metro.co.uk/2018/08/23/paedophile-dressed-up-as-baby-and-raped-girl-10-in-torture-den-7873346/

There is no media coverage (apart from Twitter and here) about the links to the Green Party.