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Green Party statement

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Destinysdaughter · 25/08/2018 17:13

Sorry it’s so tiny, I screenshotted it on my phone from Twitter! It’s a bit mealy mouthed...

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thebewilderness · 26/08/2018 21:22

Sorry! Ignore me.
I Americanized the dates.

CesiraAndEnrico · 26/08/2018 21:24

So the Guardian was doing puff pieces on the family when the trial started. Criminy!

Well that'll go down well when that factoid gets highlighted on twitter.

Can see some grumpy faces happening when the yellow "gissus yer money, we are great jounos ! Top of the pile !" pop up pops up.

kooshbin · 26/08/2018 21:25

The final hearing on the 21st could have been to do with the injunction.

NotTerfNorCis · 26/08/2018 21:27

Terfblocker is still there and active. People are saying it was created by Aimee and their father. How sure can we be?

CesiraAndEnrico · 26/08/2018 21:28

Any idea if/when we are likely to hear of an appeal, due to the unusually long sentence and restriction placed on probation at the halfway point in the sentence ?

There are almost always three trials here. The trial. The appeal. The confirmation by the top layer of the court system.

But I am less sure when appeals are likely to be granted in England.

OlennasWimple · 26/08/2018 21:29

Or both, koosh

BettyDuMonde · 26/08/2018 21:33

My friend’s murder trial took almost exactly a year between each stage.

SturdyEarmuffs · 26/08/2018 21:33

Can only assume Aimee thought it would go unnoticed due to ?injunctions/ reporting restrictions and that Aimee could just carry on as normal

Arrogance or denial. Maybe both. Siege mentality probably ingrained & a refusal to abide by the rules other mere mortals work with. No doubt fuelled by the ability to bypass normal grievance procedures re Andy Healey & the accusation of 'misgendering'. Probably felt invincible with that power, thought DC would be too in the face of the trial. They're clearly not mature enough or rational enough to fully understand the gravity of this situation or they simply couldn't care less. When all you have to do is shout transphobia & you can get people permanently banned on twitter, gather 30k people on lists to manipulate the public narrative on social media & you can have people in your party suspended without following normal procedures & get others expelled within days at the suggestion of shouting something on TV.

thecatfromjapan · 26/08/2018 21:33

Well, I'm glad they've distanced themselves from 'Terfblocker'.

That was so, so inappropriate. It should never have been seen as an appropriate thing for any organisation to have been associated with.

It was more than censorship.

It created a means by which critical people were barred from networks of communication. I mean, really? In a democracy you openly exclude critical listeners/voices from hearing your arguments? And you are applauded and told you are progressive for doing so? You have basically removed scrutiny and debate and contesting voices? And that's progressive?

And along with a significant population who would provide oversight and scrutiny of your communication, you remove their ability to voice objections and communicate oversight.

Ultimately, you create an echo chamber, a communicative network which is now severed from the wider civic network. You've created the conditions, not simply for an echo-chamber, but also for grooming/radicalisation.

Because the capacity for communicative brakes on ideas circulated in that network have been removed.

Needless to say, you've also produced the perfect climate in which norms and boundaries get moved - and in which criminality and abuse can (potentially) flourish unchecked.

And it is SO alarming that it was feminists - and women and male critics who were branded 'TERFs' - that were excluded. In a circular way, to be critical, was to be excluded, thus an 'I progressive' - permitting an unexamined exclusion of criticality under the guise of 'progressivism'.

How the hell did the Green Party allow a misogynistic child-rapist do this in the name of 'progress'?

It's so. So stupid.

Of course such a person would have an interest in silencing critical, non-misogynist people (women mainly).

And that seems to have been done under the auspices of his child's relationship with and role within the Green Party.

It's extremely worrying.

Did these people simply find employing their critical faculties exhausting, so decided to take a holiday from thinking and hand their capacity for thought over to people, such as David Challenor, who had quite disturbed boundaries and ethics?

CesiraAndEnrico · 26/08/2018 21:34

Press starting to come in, five minutes ago

metro.co.uk/2018/08/26/green-politician-pulls-out-of-deputy-leadership-race-over-child-rapist-father-7884459/

SturdyEarmuffs · 26/08/2018 21:35

Left out the last bit - If you have that level of power with zero understanding of the responsibility that it brings, it's inevitable that poor decisions were made. They should never have had that amount of power in the 1st place.

CarolDanvers · 26/08/2018 21:38

I honestly believe that AC thought they could coast through this. Firstly they hoped they could keep it on the down low and most people wouldn't make the connection and then even if they did AC's stunningandbrave trans status would protect them. I also think that had one or two GC feminists not connected this then it's feasible that it could have just slipped through the net entirely and we'd never have known because the mainstream press certainly didn't think it mattered enough to report it.

CesiraAndEnrico · 26/08/2018 21:41

SturdyEarmuffs

Exactly. And this is not new news. We know if you hand over gobs of unearned power to those who are not used to it (newly minted adults) they don't often do well, or good, with it.

Charliethefeminist · 26/08/2018 21:42

AC and the Green Party will not be unhappy if all the coverage has that tone

thecatfromjapan · 26/08/2018 21:48

It's NOT a coincidence that the push on this came from GC feminists.

And the silence has come from the 'woke progressives'.

And then, just think about how Terfblocker functions.

Progressive organisations need to - visibly and vocally - step back from Terfblocker.

This case TELLS you it serves to produce a place safe for abuse to flourish and be protected by silence and lack of scrutiny.

SunsetBeetch · 26/08/2018 21:48

There is more than one terf blocker list out there. But here's Aimee admitting to it.

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NotTerfNorCis · 26/08/2018 21:55

If Terfblocker is Aimee then things are getting weirder, because Terfblocker is aggressively defending Aimee but talking as though it's a completely different person. TB also says 'lol they think I'm Aimee. 😂😂😂'

CertainHalfDesertedStreets · 26/08/2018 21:55

Do Metro usually write articles that are just a brief intro followed by two statements in support of the subjects of the article copied in full? Because that's SHITE journalism.

SunsetBeetch · 26/08/2018 21:58

Another dickhead male Green Party member.

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SunsetBeetch · 26/08/2018 21:59

Pictures haven't attached for some reason

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Amalfimamma · 26/08/2018 21:59

CertainHalfDesertedStreets

Metro blocked and reported me on fb for posting about Aimee under every story they posted about dcs sentence

They are one of Aimees enablers

CesiraAndEnrico · 26/08/2018 22:00

Do Metro usually write articles that are just a brief intro followed by two statements in support of the subjects of the article copied in full?

Last time I read it you could smoke on the tube. But from memory, the "journalism" was there to break up the pages of ads. So .. probably.

However, a catchy headline with little meat on the bone has been known to cause some WTF googling. So it's not all bad.

And that was one hell of a catchy headline.

theOtherPamAyres · 26/08/2018 22:00

it gets crazier.

The Challoners took out an injunction against a Gender Critical Green to stop him from speaking at the Green Party Conference. They claimed court costs including a hire car, because they delivered the court papers to him personally.

I see that on his twitter feed, a journalist has asked him to contact her.

ttps://twitter.com/djandyhealey/status/1033668245511917568

TallulahWaitingInTheRain · 26/08/2018 22:00

Terfblocker has certainly had the effect of silencing the public expression of women's / HCPs' / mothers' concerns wrt to the effects of self-id on the safeguarding of children. DC's involvement now suggests that this may have been a deliberate aim.

theOtherPamAyres · 26/08/2018 22:01

Sorry, the link to the thread is:

twitter.com/djandyhealey/status/1033668245511917568