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Green Party statement

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Destinysdaughter · 25/08/2018 17:13

Sorry it’s so tiny, I screenshotted it on my phone from Twitter! It’s a bit mealy mouthed...

Green Party statement
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TerfsUp · 26/08/2018 06:47

Ooops. Apologies to the OP who used the same phrase.

I'll try again - what a weak non-statement statement. I am willing to bet that if Challoner had been convicted of a hate crime, eg saying "women don't have penises" the GP would have fallen over itself to show how woke and dudebro it is.

CesiraAndEnrico · 26/08/2018 07:09

That is NOT a Party you can trust.

That is a Jimmy Savile Party.

That's going to stick as their new nickname.

Trust us to know what's best for the planet and the country ! Even after we proved incapable of a quick google prior to letting a city's green party HQ be the home of an convicted animal abuser, with a long history of SS involvement for child protection reasons.

It's not relevant that our HQ came with a handy attic for the rape and torture of small non-men. And don't mention the nappy/dress of Lucy you transphobe !

Vote Green, cos we really know our arse from our elbow, despite all glaring evidence to the contrary. And we never ever let ideology get in the way of fact, conscience, or due diligence. No siree.

I thought the greens were a bunch of well meaning hippies. Would never have voted for them. But didn't think badly of them. However like the Lib Dem's it appears their well meaning naivety and instinct to "be nice" made them the perfect home for truely awful people. Who knows what the ratio between nice enough hippy and God Awful Human Being is amoung the rank and file at this point. Hopefully not up in the higher levels. But, who knows.

Their goose nut roast, is now well and truely cooked. How are they supposed to criticise any other party's perceived shortcomings ever again ? They'll get a barrage of "check for the plank in your own eye" responses of one word - Challenor

Their political rivals are not going to look that gift child torturing peadophile in the mouth.

Longer term Challenor is probably going to cause them toe curling PR issues during his stay in HMP if/when he decides to try to come over all martyred heroine and demands Allies' support to woman out of the men's facility. Which I strongly suspect he might do. He's got nothing to gain at this point by holding onto his male presentation.

I think the only way the Greens could have salvaged anything of their rep it would have been to post a statement like the one I linked to from the GC critical woman on twitter. But they screwed themselves over even further by choosing a Woke Points, mealy mouthed style.

Damn. I feel sorry for the British electorate. I do not envy you having to choose between the current offerings on the political landscape.

iBiscuit · 26/08/2018 07:09

West Midlands Police have some explaining to do.

TimeLady · 26/08/2018 07:21

There is speculation on Twitter that the GP statement was rushed out yesterday because they learned that The Times was preparing to publish the familial connection today.

The Times (Gilligan and Turner) and The Spectator (Kirkcup) are to be commended for lifting the lid on this whole sordid mess. Politicians and others really can't pretend they didn't know.

LadybirdsAreBirds · 26/08/2018 07:24

Cesira

Good post

Other political parties are invoved in this. They have also been groomed

NameChangedAgain18 · 26/08/2018 07:34

I was briefly (for about six months) a member of the Green Party. What I saw made me very uncomfortable, both in terms of the quite gobsmaking incompetence of those running the group local to me, and of the aggression of the candidate for the general election (very much the bearded left dude bro type you see screaming TERF on Twitter). The "Non-Men" thing was the final straw and I left. I think the term "Jimmy Saville Party" used by a pp is very apt.

PaperPanther · 26/08/2018 07:36

The Green Party statement is an appalling display of cowardice.

Other parties require candidates to promise that there is nothing they’d are aware of that could bring the party into disrepute. I can’t believe the Greens don’t have something similar. No party can background check all their candidates so this gives a get out clause if something appears. There is no way AC was unaware of the investigation.

Having read the family’s history and involvement with the law and social services there’s also no way that locally people didn’t know something was odd. The Greens may be able to officially deny it but somebody knew this family wasn’t suitable for the role they were playing in local politics.

Destinysdaughter · 26/08/2018 07:39

Posie Parker has made a video about it, worth a watch

m.youtube.com/watch?v=lOqn27m3O1c

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CesiraAndEnrico · 26/08/2018 07:49

Other political parties are invoved in this. They have also been groomed

They are all drinking the kool aid. I went to check which part believe what when making the Suck It Up Buttercup posters. I wanted to name the parties who endorsed the message, even if it wasn't worded in a way they'd appreciate. Got Conservative, Labour, Lib Dem, Green, WEP. ... and have sincerely been informed I need to update the text to include Plaid and the SNP.

At this point it looks like UKIP is the only party that DOESN'T take the stance that women need to sit down,shut up and stop whining.

What a glorious choice that is.

If the Cons aren't completely stupid they'll dump the urge to try and improve their image via wanting to appear trans-friendly and go for looking like the stand out party that is women/child friendly instead.

The usual accusations of The Nasty Party won't have the sort of traction they once used to, due to other parties internal "unpleasant issues and notable shortcomings". In the short term they could mop up enough "single most important issue for the sake of future generations" votes to put them over the edge and cling to power despite their debilitated status.

Even people who hate them, who would never admit to anybody else where they actually put their cross in the latest election might be inclined to give them a one off single issue vote, just to stop enforced praise of the Emperor's New Robes from becoming legislation.

But, as I said, it depends on them not being completely stupid. And so far.....

WhatTheWatersShowedMe · 26/08/2018 08:13

I both voted for and helped campaign for Green Party candidates in the past. I am completely disgusted with them. Thank you all for joining the dots on this.

The question remains: who the fuck funded the injunction? Seeing as JB could afford Carter Ruck despite a low salary and the Challoners don’t seem to be rolling in it either, I’d like to know who is paying to keep this stuff out of the press.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 26/08/2018 08:19

Seeing as JB could afford Carter Ruck despite a low salary and the Challoners don’t seem to be rolling in it either, I’d like to know who is paying to keep this stuff out of the press

This, this, this , ^

NameChangedAgain18 · 26/08/2018 08:23

Re. Aimee and David's development of TERFblocker, as someone is pointing out on Twitter, the software would have been very useful in muting anyone on Twitter trying to draw attention to DC's alleged crimes and court case. People in the Green Party could very easily not have known about this because of the software AC and DC created.

TimeLady · 26/08/2018 08:38

Other political parties are involved in this. They have also been groomed

It is grooming, isn't it, on an unprecedented scale by hiding in plain sight.

ZeroFuchsiasGiven · 26/08/2018 08:39

That's an excellent point, NameChangedAgain18. Also those saying 'Follow the money'. This all stinks. So pleased to see that The Times has broken ranks. Was there an injunction? It was alleged on Twitter, but I didn't see a source. Can't see how they hoped to get away with that.

Surely the Green Party will have to re-run the Deputy Leadership election if AC doesn't stand down. Some people will already have voted knowing nothing about this. Of course anybody who voted for AC in last year's general election or this year's council elections also did so without knowing certain highly material facts.

FeminaSum · 26/08/2018 08:43

Apologies if someone has mentioned it already but given the tendency of inconvenient things to disappear from the internet, I'd advise everyone to make archived copies.

Green Party statement: archive.is/aBEh0
Article on AC: archive.is/aBLfi

And so on.

PutItAwayDear · 26/08/2018 08:49

So can anyone tell me why my thread about reporting restrictions has been deleted, despite the fact it didn't name anyone and didn't mention anything that wasn't in the public domain? It's got the "while we check reporting restrictions" deletion message Confused

AngryAttackKittens · 26/08/2018 08:50

Seems like every other thread is being deleted, which again makes me wonder what sort of threats are being made behind the scenes.

CesiraAndEnrico · 26/08/2018 08:51

I’d like to know who is paying to keep this stuff out of the press.

There may be some very rich, powerful and well connected people providing all sorts of funding behind the scenes.

Some may be focused on their own trans leanings.

Others may share non-specifically trans interests with David.

The public's belief that children are not equipped to know the ramifications of their own needs/wants, nor consent to potentially much regretted, undoable choices is being chipped away.

There are potentially people - with no specific interest in transgender issues - who would perceived that as a chink in the gen pub's "protect the kids" armour.

A chink that they might not be averse to sticking a crowbar in.

A chink so attractive they might invest rather a lot of cash and political arm twisting, to fund and smooth the path of the creation of the chink.

Cui bono ? As always when considering that, it is worth looking beyond the initial, more obvious features. Worth considering what precedents and new norms it creates. And who might perceive that new normal as exploitable for their own interests.

I promise I am not a conspiracy theorist. I am not saying I know of a shadowy group, who have a special batsymbol hidden in our money or anything.

But something doesn't add up in my gut. Not with this huge, wide spread degree of political bending over and the volume of resources. That does not mesh with the tiny minority status of a special interest group. Albeit it a minority with the odd billionaire in the ranks.

But what the tiny minority, if aided, could create with the erosion of the belief that children/tweens/early teens should have their ability to consent carefully limited, - that might be of interest to a much, much, much bigger group.

No evidence to offer. Just gut. I may have lived in Thailand too long for my own good. It's a place with specific industries and an exposure to the deeply unrepentant, that can destroy a lot of your belief in humanity.

MnerXX · 26/08/2018 08:57

I was a committee member (an agent in fact) for the greens but I stepped back partly over the TRA stuff partly over other stuff. I hadn’t yet cancelled my membership but I will be doing so over this.

SPOFS · 26/08/2018 09:02

Someone on Twitter posted a good point:

Olivia was expelled from the Greens for calling Munroe Bergdof a man, whilst D.C., a man convicted of animal cruelty, was never questioned.

It's very clear where the Green's priorities lie.

TimeLady · 26/08/2018 09:06

Someone in The Times comments also said

Aimee Challoner was instrumental in getting …. transsexual Miranda Yardley banned from Twitter for stating that AC is a man.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 26/08/2018 09:08

Would the Greens really, really not have known? Challenor was a pretty active member, and I find it odd that the police did not speak to them as part of the investigations?

LadybirdsAreBirds · 26/08/2018 09:10

Cesira

Brava

ZeroFuchsiasGiven · 26/08/2018 09:13

I'm not a conspiracy theorist either, but I found this Youtube video very troubling.

LangCleg · 26/08/2018 09:15

I have a load of (older) family members staying for the Bank Holiday weekend. We sat at dinner last night and I explained all this to them with reference to the Greens. Their jaws hit the floor and honestly, I think they didn't believe me at first. Then I showed them the screenshots and the archived pages to prove how various web pages and searches have been redacted and scrubbed over the past few days.

Shocked isn't the word for it. And all of them immediately went straight to Jimmy Savile. There are a dozen people thinking very hard about something they've never given much attention to before this morning.