We are different

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Is it wrong if me to feel like there are differences between men and women and that's what makes us human?

Aside from equal pay debate (I believe same job, same pay) and similar- I do believe that there are inherent, natural differences between men and women. But it doesn't seem ok to think this or say it anymore?!

I also feel like a lot of 'feminists' use that umbrella to man- bash. Don't get me wrong, I have known a good few awful men, I've also known a good few awful women. We can't tar everyone with the same brush?!

Thoughts?

(Waves hand frantically and enthusiastically) Is it because we're ladies?

OMG. You might be onto something! Must be that kind prompting from one of the menz. You'd never have thought of that by yourself, now would you?

That is not feminism, that is normal people both men and women identifying and acknowledging a problem and wanting this to be stopped.

Excellent. What is your stance on rape myths? And instructing juries in them, for instance?

LadybirdsAreBirds

the @ing is a giveaway too. Show they've spent too much time on Twatter

I didn't know that was from twitter, and I've been very guilty of it. I thought it was (on MN) just to identify the poster you're quoting. Will cease and desist immediately

someone who wants to learn

Well if I wanted to learn - and I mean this really sincerely - I'd read loads and I would refrain from going to websites and saying the same tired goady things that the people there answer to trolls and goady fuckers EVERY SINGLE DAY.

LangCleg

Not with me being a bitter feminist and all.

*CertainHalfDesertedStreets

Well off you pop and find us some then lovey.*

I assume that means I am not welcome here?

Not with me being a bitter feminist and all.

If you could just lay off the man-hating a bit (and eat more Weetabix), you'd probably have lots more good ideas, you know.

Vicky I bet those who eat in the restaurants get a bit of discount on the days the celebs do it though or maybe not. Plus I don't think for one moment they spend all that time there. misses point of Celeb Masterchef

I just love to watch famous people cook worse than me.

If more women ate Weetabix and banana for breakfast, there would be no need for feminism.

Sorry, it's some years ago, approx 10-15 the start of my consciousness feminism. I did try to search for it recently but so far not tracked it down.

Neverbeenafeminist, if you reference vague research to back up your point, you need to direct others to it so they can address it. It's nothing to do with welcome, it's to do with treating the people whose brains you are picking with respect.

Great post ScipioAfricanus

I love Delusions of Gender.

Juells

Not a defining characteristic. If you say ladies, mention pitchforks and brigades as well then I'd be suspicious

Juells

When you @ a message goes to their email inbox.

Vicky

I hate the professional kitchens. It's just an advert. Although I'm so weak I once went to a restaurant when I got the tummy rumbles watching it

I assume that means I am not welcome here?

Seems to me that everyone's welcome here as long as they fight their corner honestly. I knew very little about feminism when I first started looking in on Feminism Chat, but I've learned a huge amount.

Lang

Neverbeenafeminist

Most goady fuckers have tells. They would never, ever, in a zillion years, win at poker.

The more they engage, the further their slip shows.

I confess to sometimes engaging for the deliberate, unwitting reveal.

Sometimes, it's not immediately obvious if someone is simply naive, questioning, or goady.

My only advice to non goaders, is to stick around and build up some cred.

LadybirdsAreBirds

I hate it when they do this on the normal Masterchef, too. It's very dull to watch somebody try to fry a bit of fish over and over again.

I've only read the first two pages (at work) but agree with some of your points.

You'll probably notice that people on here have become more keen to highlight the differences between the two sexes now that the trans lobby are trying to insist that people can change sex.

As for men having it easier....some do, but many don't. I was shocked to read the male suicide statistic on here lately (84 a week, biggest cause of male death under 40). It was posted by a bit of an MRA type guy as a gotcha but it was still a bit of a shock to read as I knew it was high but never that high.

It is easier for men to attain power I think, but not at all easy or socially acceptable for a man to marry a rich woman and then basically live a life of leisure (something which most feminists seem to despise the idea of for obvious reasons but which is still popular enough to have many 'dating' websites dedicated to it).

It was obvious it was the same piece of fish last night. The same lamb. The same steak.

placemats

And the justification for sending them there immediately after they'd cooked a bit of a scratch meal was 'We want you to learn...'

Learn how to cook (or assemble) one basic dish, apparently.

Good point...is that because men can't be trusted?

As a class, no. Details follow.

Between 6% and 15% of men rape, according to Lisak and Miller. Women have no way of knowing on sight which men rape and which don't, so for our safety, we have to be wary of all men. In that sense, men as a class can't be trusted because some of them rape.

Decent men recognise this and don't take it personally, because they recognise that women's distrust of men is not a personal slight, but essential for women to stay safe.

By contrast, men who protest women's distrust and boundary-setting not only display misogyny by expecting women to incur increased risk of rape for the sake of men's feelings, but also demonstrate that they are a risk to us. A man who won't take "no" for an answer when it comes to entering the women's loos certainly cannot be trusted to take "no" for answer when it comes to sexual boundaries.

Re sexual assault by women: yes, it's rare but it happens and I'm sorry that a woman has done that to you. Men as a class are still more of a sex crime hazard than women are. As I've said upthread, you cannot extrapolate other women's experiences from your own, none of us can.

Datun
Ok I understand that you probably tire of those who come here to be confrontation and I'll try to stick around but tbh I feel like running back to my safe rambling forum. A place that's full of women (and men) who take me, and everyone else, on face value.

Men should be discussing the high rates of suicide amongst themselves. It's not up to women to solve this problem.

These are the latest stats on suicide in the UK. The rate has fallen slightly but it is still shocking.

Men need to sort this out.