We are different

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Is it wrong if me to feel like there are differences between men and women and that's what makes us human?

Aside from equal pay debate (I believe same job, same pay) and similar- I do believe that there are inherent, natural differences between men and women. But it doesn't seem ok to think this or say it anymore?!

I also feel like a lot of 'feminists' use that umbrella to man- bash. Don't get me wrong, I have known a good few awful men, I've also known a good few awful women. We can't tar everyone with the same brush?!

Thoughts?

Just to say, I am a woman

THIS is what the male OP wrote at the beginning of the thread. To everyone reading, when you read a post by some dickhead and they feel the need to TELL you he is a WOMAN, remember the old joke.....

Are there any women on the internet?

The problem is that you weren't just 'speaking for yourself', you were indirectly commenting on men's situation by saying women have it harder.

This will be my last post as I have no desire to engage in an argument which will likely fall on deaf ears. I also need to do some housework before my partner gets home so she can relax - I unchain her from the sink and take her place on weekends.

I understand that dividing things into male/female is integral to feminism, but I feel it also neglects consideration of some important points. Was it Churchill that said something like "the average person sleeps soundly only because of the rough men standing ready to do violence on their behalf."

Men have generally been the ones responsible for protecting our society from threat and they still continue to. The argument levied against this always seems to be "yeah, but the threat is male violence."

This may be true but do you think that the Nazi women would have welcomed BME and Jewish women into their 'sisterhood'. I think you might have been in for a nasty shock.

It's like the military draft. Most men had to literally risk life and limb to get the vote and yet it's still seen as a huge injustice that women weren't just given it on a plate without providing military service (which they eventually were, at around the same time the average man got the vote). And now we hear some feminists moan that they were oppressed not being allowed to fight - oh to have the freedom to lose one's legs in a trench.

I really want to see equality and improvement in the idiosyncratic ways in which each sex is oppressed. However, many on here seem to prefer a good ol ruckus. I often wonder if equality was achieved tomorrow whether many on here would be lost like the Irish militants who committed suicide in huge numbers when the conflict quietened down.

Was replying to Bewilderness.

See? See? You try to build a bridge of mutual understanding (of odd food choices) and the unfeminine women here just burn it down.

I'm reporting you all the the Council Of Properly Feminine Behavior. Do you not understand that being politely submissive is what comes naturally to you?

Thank you Datun, that copy link fallacy strikes again.

This one is better. I hope.

I'm still fascinated by the previous poster who said Weetabix was a substitute for bread in the war.

Since the Banana Horror, I wonder how many people have bought a packet of Weetabix, purely on the strength of people mentioning it. Like subliminal advertising.

Which then made me wonder whether or not our advertisers use plants to mention their products.

I feel like I can vaguely hear a donkey braying in the background. Sounds like it's trying to say "what about the men?"

Ok I'll bite.

I don't really like weetabix.
How do people feel about porridge here or am I too much of a newbie to be allowed an opinion on such things?
(I like it with chocolate at the bottom and peanut butter on top)

Also.
Wow!

I know several people who cook their porridge with salt, which imo is as much of an abomination as the Banana Horror.

Oh dear. That's what I get for taking you at face value, all day. Never mind, lesson learned. Won't happen again, please don't worry.

This whole thing where men reflexively assume that their emotions are the responsibility of women to sort out. It is the problem. It's a key reason why men don't develop the personal resources to cope with adversity and are therefore vulnerable to suicide if they haven't managed to sort themselves out without an adequately mediating female person.

Men pitching up on feminist sites to demand that women centre male suicide is an expression and perpetuation of the problem, not a potential solution.

AllDayBreakfast, wow, fella. Did you miss the whole 'Feminist' thing on this here section. It's just been patiently explained that while we have every sympathy for the issues you bring up, they aren't the focus of the board and nor should they be.
You can slope off now feeling wounded if you will, but your last post just sucked all the sympathy out of me with the bizarre mention of the Nazis and the MRA stuff about men's grand contribution and sufferings.

Not. The. Board. For. It.

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Aspersion caster.

AllDayBreakfast

Seriously, what's any of that got to do with feminism?

Feminism. Fem.

It's for women. As I said, some people struggle with that.

Toast. I like toast. With marmite.

Hilariously, spellcheck just corrected that to marmots. I was seriously tempted to leave it, but after the lichen debacle, I really don't want to get a reputation....

Exactly, Tallulah. If men learned to manage their own emotions, or even accepted the idea that it's not the responsibility of any woman who happens to e around to do so for them, then we probably wouldn't be seeing 2 women being murdered by their partners every week. These issues are directly connected, and not in the way our wordy pancakes for dinner friend thinks.

I'm reporting you all the the Council Of Properly Feminine Behavior. Do you not understand that being politely submissive is what comes naturally to you?

Look, I tried. I did three re-takes of my Female Socialisation GSCE and still didn't pass it. I'm like the woman driver of polite submission. I grind the gears every single time. I'm expecting to be called up to the Re-education Camp any day now.

Maye it could be generously interpreted as you offering to share your toast with the marmots?

Odd how Lang's Weetabix banana Horror suddenly sounds quite appealing

Appealing or appalling?

(I like it with chocolate at the bottom and peanut butter on top)

OMG. We have the porridge equivalent of my Weetabix Banana Horror. I like you. Stick around!

(I like porridge, but with berries.)

Does the porridge not have to be a bit, well, old and crusty in order to layer it?

Salty porridge with milk is the best way!

It's quite a wonderful thing, really.

As soon as you say feminism is for and about women, you will always get that spluttering but, but..

Nope, seriously it's just for women.

But, but the men, the war, the army, oil rigs.

Nope, still for women.

Some people really, really don't like it. There's no other explanation which accounts for the identical reaction. Every time.

I was told by my father that if feminists wanted change they should do something about it and stop whining.
It took a while to find feminism after more years than i care to thing about being brought up with thay attitude.

Is there anything that can bring them round? (I hope so because after last week's tantrum from him it looks like our relationship may be over if i can't find the right words. He's a lot like breakfast)