We are different

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Is it wrong if me to feel like there are differences between men and women and that's what makes us human?

Aside from equal pay debate (I believe same job, same pay) and similar- I do believe that there are inherent, natural differences between men and women. But it doesn't seem ok to think this or say it anymore?!

I also feel like a lot of 'feminists' use that umbrella to man- bash. Don't get me wrong, I have known a good few awful men, I've also known a good few awful women. We can't tar everyone with the same brush?!

Thoughts?

I have raisins with my weetabix.

I'm sure most of you are far more interesting and accomplished than you are showing yourselves to be on here.

Pls provide doxxing material including links to your professional work, you man-hating harpies.

There's a horrible fascination to the mammoth amount of projection going on here.

Yes - the flinging of insults and then the 'I'm out of here because some people haven't been nice to me' approach.

I too have misstated things here before, been called on it, corrected myself and apologized. Oddly enough no one thought I was a troll because I have no troll tells.

Also thanks to the PPs who have indulged me. I apologise for derailing the thread.

I'm really really accomplished, me. I graduated from Miss J Brodie's finishing school for gels and now I can dust the piano, whilst mopping the lichen floor and writing party invitations on scented paper. All at the same time. Take that, you shameless harpies.

Scififan, ok, here's my take. I have been a MN lurker for years. Different boards, but eventually found my way to FWR and read and absorbed. It coincided with events in my family life that were extremely pertinent to the TRA issue, and was beyond helpful.

Eventually there was a delurking thread, and I posted on it with some very basic info about my reasons for being GC. From there I slowly began to join other threads that were relevant to me, and then branched out into other threads as I started to understand the issues better. For me, I'm always posting with lurkers in mind because I was one for so long.

It takes time to build up trust in any community, and FWR is no different - why people think it should be is a bit weird, tbh. Just be humble enough to say when you've cocked up, don't be an arse and don't be run off by a bit of ego-stomping by a regular with some verbal fireworks ( who may well have just had a bad day like anyone else and less patience than normal)

You don't have to be a GC feminist to post here. People will take you more seriously if you refrain from open misogyny however

Totally second ginger-infused spirits

The question now is whether they can stick the flounce, or if the departure is forced by MNHQ.

I’m definitely far, far more interesting and important IRL than I am on mumsnet. Here, I appear only to be a reasonably able typist with acceptable grammar. IRL I rule the planet.

But I can't spell... Lichen??? Kitchen! Sheesh

I n/c a lot. I just swan back in and start again. It's fairly obvious who knows the board and who doesn't IMO.

I made Christmas Pudding vodka last year. It was delicious. I would recommend. I'm doing piccalilli this year if anyone has a recipe?

12th rule of misogyny: Women's ability to recognize male behavior patterns is misandry.

Yeah, that's the trouble with lichen.

But I can't spell... Lichen??? Kitchen! Sheesh

I assumed that was some obscure literary reference of which I had no knowledge.

Tallulah

You don't have to be a GC feminist to post here. People will take you more seriously if you refrain from open misogyny however

I think that's it in a nutshell!

Yes - the flinging of insults and then the 'I'm out of here because some people haven't been nice to me' approach.

Be the change that you want to see in the world, OP!

Fwiw, I've only just very, very recently come to the decision that I am a Feminist, which has had a lot to with life experience and learning things I just didn't know when I was younger and didn't really understand what Feminism was.

This was posted earlier and really resonated with me. I am a very regular lurker on this board. I posted a few months ago in a flood of tears after hitting the 'it's all hopeless, what's the point of even trying to fight the misogyny' wall and must have looked very much like the op (and the dozens of others that have been here recently)
I don't find this board aggressive at all. The fact that it's seen as that is just another example of misogyny where if women don't play nicely, or explain kindly, or explain yet again, or take on the mental load for anyone who wants it explaining, or be patient with people who aren't polite then they're aggressive.
That's not aggressive. It's understandable annoyance.
I lurk and learn thanks to the boundless patience of many posters. And I want to learn. Very much so.

Men should be discussing the high rates of suicide amongst themselves. It's not up to women to solve this problem.
These are the latest stats on suicide in the UK. The rate has fallen slightly but it is still shocking.
Men need to sort this out.

Yes and no to this.

It is how we raise our boys that will address this in the long term (most people here do at least 50% of that task if they have a son). Op - having read fairly widely and then closely observed the people around me I have realised that those parents who believed boys and girls were innately different before having kids have had more aggressive sons. Many of them grow out of their aggressive behaviours but that is because they have learned to suppress emotion. They basically had parents who expected them to express emotion in unhealthy ways e.g. not to cry or seek emotional connection but instead to thrash out. They responded to that expectation and then as they got older and learned there are eventually consequences for thrashing out they learned to suppress their emotion in other unhealthy ways. The failure to teach boys to express emotion in healthy ways, to communicate and seek and nurture connection as equals with their fellow human beings culminates in male violence and male suicide. One significant source of this failure is in the idea that men are by nature less emotional. All parents of boys have to rise to their responsibility to address this and for me it is a feminist issue because the consequences include violence against women and girls.

I don't plan on name changing because I've come to feel rather attached to this one, and I only chose it because it's entirely unrelated to anything else I use online and completely random. It might as well have been BedroomMirrorNeedsAClean, tbh.

I assumed that she had some sort of elite special skill, as mopping lichen without making it disintegrate sounds quite complicated.

I assumed that she had some sort of elite special skill, as mopping lichen without making it disintegrate sounds quite complicated.

Definitely an innately feminine one, I reckon.

WilhalmenaWonka, if it's any consolation, and doesn't come across as patronising, that's what I'm talking about. Just post like a normal person who is interested but not breeze in demanding answers from strangers who you then insult.

Simples

I'm sure OP will not be surprised to learn that as a true Evil Feminist Harpy cleaning floors is not my strong point. DH usually does it. Misandry!

FloralBunting
Same here.
This is the name, though sometime misspelled, that I have used since the second week I was on the interwebs. That was when I discovered what men say to women who use their own name online. I switched to the name of my house instead and men have assumed I was a fellow man ever since.