We are different

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Is it wrong if me to feel like there are differences between men and women and that's what makes us human?

Aside from equal pay debate (I believe same job, same pay) and similar- I do believe that there are inherent, natural differences between men and women. But it doesn't seem ok to think this or say it anymore?!

I also feel like a lot of 'feminists' use that umbrella to man- bash. Don't get me wrong, I have known a good few awful men, I've also known a good few awful women. We can't tar everyone with the same brush?!

Thoughts?

And that strategy is working so well!

Ah well. I guess engaging with the responses I gave you to the thoughts you posted wasn't quite as exhilarating as calling women bitches (which, as an aside, you might want to know is considered a pretty damned unfeminist thing to do). Also, how long have you been on MN if you've never encountered robust responses?

If you want roust then aibu is definitely the place to be...

It's not what you say, it's the way you say it

House!

spartacus that is quite an interesting read from that perspective. Now I have seen something tangible I can now understand a bit more clearly. ( that's not to say I agree 100% with all of it) but it is definitely good to have read, thanks.
It is still a new wave of feminism as that's not what the original feminism movements were, but obviously things evolve as our times change. I think I can now say I'm not a radical feminist and I still stand by my original post as even by that article people still misuse the "feminism" title when simply degrading men as a sex.
But thanks again for the article, a great response.

Robust, rather. Though in terms of the attempts to roust the feminists from the feminist board, I'd give this one about 1/10.

Has anyone made the mince pie vodka yet? I'm doing mine this weekend.

How do feminists "degrade" men by calling for an end to male violence, pray?

Ginger is my favorite thing to infuse into spirits.

Spoiling their fun? We're such nasty women....

Ginger + spirits = nasty.

I've got as far (skim reading after the first 50 posts) as the post made at 19:39. I do have a question not related to this thread but inspired by it (and by experience of contributing to a past thread, now deleted, where I was misunderstood. My own bad explanations of course!)
So my question is - how can we prove to each other that we are genuinely GC feminists?

Actually make it 2 questions - do we need to prove that we are?

It was on that thread that I learned @ing was bad etiquette in (on?) FWR threads. I hope the OP and other posters have learned that.

Good question, VickyEadie. I'm often intrigued by the way the impact of male violence is dismissed but the degrading of men is such an enormously affecting thing that feminism does.

floral I think on this one we will have to agree to disagree with that particular issue relating back to feminism. But thanks for explaining your views, I just don't happen to agree on this one, but hey wouldn't life be boring if we all thought the same

And the way this thread is going...I'm out.

I think some people on here just like sitting back and causing aggression, when they are not even involved in that set of posts, when others want a genuine discussion, it just spoils it....... Shame on you. ( not you floral)

I think if people are attempting to prove their feminist credentials then not using blatantly sexist language is a good way to start.

(Not you, SciFi, just in general. Hilarious how many people turn up all "Why are you all such man hating bitches? I are a totes a feminist")

scififan, I'm not sure I understand the question. You read, you learn, you come to your conclusions, just like anything else.

If you hold to GC views, you usually talk about them somewhere. What else is there to prove?

Rather separately (don’t want to derail a perfectly good thread when it’s obviously going so well ), someone upthread said something to the OP about sticking around and building up ‘cred’. I change my username a lot. Mostly because I get super anxious about my identity IRL and some of the things I discuss being linked, and also because I change names to post some professional advice on one of the forums, then change name again to come and do a little man hating rabble rousing when I’ve run out of doilies to crochet. I clearly need to stick to one username for each forum (d’oh, recognising the flipping obvious as I type). Blushety blush blush. Sorry all, back to playing with your trolls. Just remember to feed and water it before bed, and remember it needs fresh straw tonight too (only pissing with you OP, promise).

SciFi I guess people reveal their intentions without realising it. I'm sure there are obvious signs, but I won't expect anyone to reveal them as then there'd be a map to the secret lair of feminine wisdom, and theyd know the route. For me, I proved it by reading, asking genuine questions, apologising when I boobed and being open minded enough to listen, but not so open minded that my brain fell out. Seriously, its about developing a relationship, same as any social interaction.

how can we prove to each other that we are genuinely GC feminists?
Would criticism of gender be too much to ask?
Many women here are not Feminists but they are gender critical.

Tigger, fair enough. It took me a very long time to understand how the puzzle pieces fit together, and one point I was actually an avowed anti feminist, so I'm not going to rail at you for not getting it from my explanation. I hope you'll continue to explore the topic to gain more insight.

Look what you made them do.

Floral see I'm at it again. Bad writing. Not how to be GC (that I've got and it probably started with FWR)^ but how we prove to each other that we are^ GC.

I'm know from experience that if you express yourself badly you could appear like a troll. I've done that before

Almost like a digital equivalent of a secret handshake I suppose. That's what we need. (Maybe only me)

MIdgebabe
Butter and weetabix in the same sentence!

It's the only way to eat Weetabix, spread thickly with butter. I've always eaten them like that as that was the way my mother always ate them. Apparently when bread was rationed during the war years, Weetabix weren't, so my Mothers family often had them instead of bread at teatime.

Ha I'm trying hard, not only have I changed my user name, I'm also talking about Weetabix

Honestly I feel like the trolls are pretty obvious. People who're genuine it comes across pretty quickly, and trolls always have a tell (they must be absolutely shit at poker).

Just sometimes, if I didnt think that some of you had far to much time on your hands....I'd love to reveal my real name, my real occupation, my real accomplishments.

I'm sure most of you are far more interesting and accomplished than you are showing yourselves to be on here.

There's a horrible fascination to the mammoth amount of projection going on here.