We are different

[askingquestionsisok]

Is it wrong if me to feel like there are differences between men and women and that's what makes us human?

Aside from equal pay debate (I believe same job, same pay) and similar- I do believe that there are inherent, natural differences between men and women. But it doesn't seem ok to think this or say it anymore?!

I also feel like a lot of 'feminists' use that umbrella to man- bash. Don't get me wrong, I have known a good few awful men, I've also known a good few awful women. We can't tar everyone with the same brush?!

Thoughts?

My sons, my niece, my other half. Every moment can be empowering as long as your aim is not to tear someone down.

Who have you empowered today that isn't a member of your family?

I mean come on, we don't officially volunteer or work here. We don't owe anyone anything.

If you want you are free to read all the thousands of threads on the topic and learn yourself at your own pace.

I don't feel empowered, supported or taught

If you've spotted that deficit in yourself, then that's good - now you need to do something for yourself to address it. You've been offered lots of sources, by women who went and did their own reading and their own thinking. Expecting other women to spoonfeed, nurture and explain this in dumbed down terms for you isn't going to solve your problems in the slightest OP, and it's going to annoy the women you're asking. Your first step will be to identify why, deep down, you believe it's their job to do for you and that you don't believe you can do it for yourself.

bewilderness genuinely didn't do that on purpose that's why I @.

Perhaps I'll go screaming to the arms of a big, strong man?

What on earth are you on about?

Dumbed down?

Just sometimes, if I didnt think that some of you had far to much time on your hands....I'd love to reveal my real name, my real occupation, my real accomplishments.

I'm sure most of you are far more interesting and accomplished than you are showing yourselves to be on here.

Unfortunately, behind a screen, we can all seem rather one dimensional.

Kind posters on here pointed me to Kat Banyard's 'the equality illusion' to help me start getting my head around things. Having bought it, Amazon kindly suggested Cordelia Fund's 'delusions of gender' (agree with Scipio that it is excellent). I've just started Testosterone Rex and have put it somewhere and now can't find it.

I sometimes think those books should be compulsory reading. They certainly opened my eyes. I wish I had read them sooner.

It's not what you say, it's the way you say it.

Tigger, you would hope that everyone would condemn those things. But the fact remains that society is structured to ensure these things happen, and despite the work done over the years to redress that and liberate women, they still happen. Children are still abused, and there are explicitly anti feminist voices trying very hard to remove safeguarding that goes some way to protecting against it. Sex segregation in hospitals is highly prized, and nearly as available as it needs to be. Men are not convicted of rape and rape myths abound. Religious movements raise and enslave young women into servitude and forced maternity. Men are disproportionately more violent, and their violence is often towards women who are physically weaker.

I don't know how I can possibly make it clearer to you that these are all feminist issues among many, many others.

Odd how Lang's Weetabix banana Horror suddenly sounds quite appealing.

(No butter for me, as is appropriate given my feminine nature.)

Surely the aim of any human is to empower another? Especially if you feel like it's a teaching moment?

What havya done today, to make ya feeeeeeel proud?

Anyhooo, this whole 'men aren't emotional thing' - have you ever watched a football match? Anger, frustration, elation, anticipation ... and that's before the kick off....

I see the damage done to little boys who aren't allowed to express the full range of emotions.

Last sad film we watched DH was wiping his eyes before I was. Should I take him in for repairs?

Unfortunately, behind a screen, we can all seem rather one dimensional

Apparently so it would seem. That's the royal we I take it?

It always makes me laugh when people tell me that women are more emotional and yet the anger and rage that many men express, as well as jealousy, in committing crimes against women, or simply in dealing with women, flies under the radar.

I'm afraid not- you seem extremely bland also.

Good grief, askingquestionsisok, could you be any more aggressive at this point? You've called us bitches, man haters and all the rest, and now you're responding with bonkers sarcastic non sequiturs about running into the arms of a big strong man.

I offered responses to your initial post and some of the other new posters, and you haven't engaged with that at all, which isn't likely to convince anyone that you have any intention of finding information to be empowered by.

I'm afraid not- you seem extremely bland also

Lol

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3145470-Break-it-down-for-me?pg=1

All your questions will b answered there.

While I applaud the function of the Weetabix thing I cannot approve of its content

Can we talk about flavoured gin again instead?

Floral-

I didn't say man-haters.

I also, was ready to engage, until the majority of your comments were snippy, sarcastic and yes- bitchy.

Bland bitchy and one dimensional? Nice. I find people here educational , amusing , challenging and supportive.
And sometimes just plain bonkers. Butter and weetabix in the same sentence!

Not all...

Actually I found your points interesting and it made me want to understand further.

How is it possible to overlook that 97% of perps of violent crime are males while claiming men do not express emotions? Why doesn't your brain explode from the cognitive dissonance?

13th rule of misogyny: Angry women are crazy. Angry men have trouble expressing themselves.

I got my stepmother some flavored gin recently. Which she insisted she didn't want in theory, and then liked when she tried it.

I'm sure this has something to do with her "gender" and not just being stubborn and resistant to change in her booze preferences.

OMG there were women here acting like people? Naturally you would have to call them names immediately to teach them how to behave.