We are different

[askingquestionsisok]

Is it wrong if me to feel like there are differences between men and women and that's what makes us human?

Aside from equal pay debate (I believe same job, same pay) and similar- I do believe that there are inherent, natural differences between men and women. But it doesn't seem ok to think this or say it anymore?!

I also feel like a lot of 'feminists' use that umbrella to man- bash. Don't get me wrong, I have known a good few awful men, I've also known a good few awful women. We can't tar everyone with the same brush?!

Thoughts?

Because I'm not being a complete bitch?

It has genuinely never crossed my mind that my aim is to empower anyone else. I must be doing woman wrong.

bewilderment can you explain what the liberation of the women is the.?

We are all very tired of anti-feminists showing up on the Feminism and Women's Rights board of MN to JAQ off.
Google is your friend. We do not know you from Adam's house cat.

So in your fight for feminism...this isn't the point-

make (someone) stronger and more confident, especially in controlling their life and claiming their rights.

These people are no more genuine seekers after feminism than David Challenor.

Time for more Weetabix, I think.

Because I'm not being a complete bitch?

Lol.

Sweetie if it actually gets to you you really can't be doing the Internet troll thing.

bewiderment sorry that didn't post clearly. Can you explain what women were liberated from and in what way if not equality and patriarchy ?

Ok, I haven't called you anything, so I'm not sure what that means, but anyway.

Your understanding of Patriarchy is, in all honesty, not nearly radical enough, which is probably why you're not seeing the male violence connection.

Yes, government and industry are weighted at the top level by men, but Patriarchy covers so much more than elite places. I've never been elite in my life, first generation in my working class family to go to university, and I currently work in a shop and have been very excited in the last few months to go above minimum wage.

But I have suffered from male violence, part and parcel of patriarchy, all my life. I was sexually abused as a child, I was raped in a mixed sex mental health ward when I was in my late teens, with MH problems largely due to the abuse I suffered. I was part of an extremely oppressive religious movement when I was older that meant my health, physical and mental, suffered enormously. Before I married, I was beaten up by a group of young men after I kissed my then girlfriend goodbye on a train platform.

These are all things which Feminism speaks to. And they all involve male violence at one level or another.

Sweetie?

That doesn't work for me, thanks.

Gender is the prescribed performance of sex role stereotypes designed to maintain the male dominance/female submission paradigm.
Now you know.

hahaha bewilderment. Your phone hates you Tigger. It's making you out to be someone who's messing with us

I have an even better recipe for fruit curd than the one I shared before.
The proportions are
8 to 12 oz sugar depending on how sweet the fruit
4oz butter
3 eggs
8oz fruit juice
1 T lemon juice
Whip together the butter and sugar until fluffy
add eggs one at a time then add fruit juice
Cook on low heat to 190 degrees

I used some frozen orange juice concentrate and it works a treat.

thebewilderness

How long does it keep?

I was shocked to read the male suicide statistic on here lately

Male violence is the greatest human rights crisis the world has ever known.

VickyEadie
Two or three weeks in the refrigerator and it freezes very well. It makes a lovely glaze for chicken, but I mostly eat it on toast.

bewilderness nope. I'm afraid my running out of butter for my weetabix is by far a greater crisis. You silly billy....

Why do people who talk about the male suicide stats
a) blame women, and
b) ignore the statistics for female survivors of abuse and domestic violence?

Why don't they do anything about male mental health? They're happy to leave the actual work to feminists such as Jessica Eaton.

We don't want equality with men. We're not aiming to massively increase the rate at which women commit murder and violent assault. We aren't keen to train women to coercively control, abuse and sexually assault their male partners. We don't hope to build personal fortunes on the trafficking of vulnerable men into prostitution and pornography. Etc. We want liberation from male violence and control, not equality in it.

Naturally there are some inherent differences between the sexes.

Men biologically carry more muscle from sons ago when they were hunters--same for broader shoulders and bone structure. This tends to make them stronger.

Gender wise boys are taught to not be overly emotional. They are often taught to engage in 'masculine' activities like football/rugby/building things etc because that's what makes a man. Emphasis on strength and solidity.

Women are more emotional in many ways because of the hormones that control pregnancy and menstruation. They tend to have more delicate features to appeal to males to want to protect them. They are less strong but often have a high endurance level due to pregnancy.

Gender wise girls are taught to engage in nurturing and respectful behaviour. They are often encouraged to do activities that involve caring for others or putting their skills to use. Emphasis is on nurturing and responsibility.

The gender related things can be changed over time but the sex related, not so much. It takes thousands of years to outgrow a certain biological human trait.

I do think though that instead of focusing on difference we acknowledge we are very similar in many ways too as we are the same species.

Instead of saying 'Men are stronger so I won't do it or men are stronger and I don't like it and it's there fault' it would be better to say 'men are stronger - so how will I achieve this instead? Men are stronger, but it doesn't mean I can't be too'

This is giving an example. I have known a few men who have been weaker than me.

floral while all these things are despicable and at the hands of men, and should never happen to anyone ever. And it is truly disgusting and should never be allowed to happen.

It is still not a feminist issue to say these things are despicable and shouldn't happen, nor a feminist issue to fight to ensure that couldn't happen again. Surely the majority of people would agree that is disgusting and shouldn't be allowed to happen, but they wouldn't say that then made them feminist. It also not a feminist issue that it did happen, it was truly despicable men that should pay for what they did,

It was truly vile what happened and with my reply I am only talking about the debate of feminism I am not in any way commenting personally about your experience, I don't want to offend in any way.

Blimey, I need to stop writing essays as the thread is moving too fast.

askingquestionsisok, you can't essentially call us bitches because not everyone has answered as you wanted. You were on thin ice with some of the assumptions you came in with, you're on a hiding to nothing by taking this tack.

Hiding?

You are a bitch if you're being bitchy.

And thin ice??

Do you believe that this haunts my waking thoughts. Perhaps I'll go screaming to the arms of a big, strong man?

Or maybe I'll turn my phone off and go to bed like a good girl