Transexual voices - twitter thread

[OnThisHill]

twitter.com/tsvoices/status/1029863492197785600?s=19

Please read this, I really feel the tide is turning.
We are being heard. The message is getting out, but sadly, I think the gender activists have created a climate where a backlash will come, and these guys are saying the same.

BUT - I think we're reaching tipping point...... What do you all think?

OnThisHill Today 01:38
Hope this link works?

www.twitter.com/tsvoices/status/1029863492197785600?s=…

Is this a new group for transsexuals? If so, I am very glad they are getting their voices heard. Because the transsexual narrative has (in my view) been hijacked by the current trans activist movement. I read their statement and found it very reasonable.

Did anyone else receive a security and privacy warning when they tried to click on the fb link at the end of the Twitter thread?

Really well laid out objections to the current trans activists and pulls no punches. You could certainly have a discussion with them. I think they would be allies.

1. We are a group of transsexual women from all walks of life who were diagnosed with the rare acute forms of gender dysphoria and treated in accordance with the modern medical science. We've completed medically our gender transitions, successfully integrated in the society & do our best to maintain meaningful personal, social and professional relationships as women.
   We value our privacy and the hard earned social and professional respect and strive to remain the valuable members of the society contributing to it in many ways.
   Our medical condition, social recognition & human rights are protected by a number of pieces of legislation which are hard won results of the decades of deprivation, ridicule, abuse & our struggle for the basic human rights: to be allowed to be & treated as equal human beings.

2. We are increasingly concerned about the erasure of our ‘transsexual’ identity, our medical and social rights and the proposals of ‘demedicalisation’ of our rare condition and replacement of it with the obscure notion of ‘transgenderism’ as an ‘umbrella term’ for a variety of gender exploring and gender expressing pursuits undertaken by the people who, on most occasions, have no gender dysphoria and very little, if not nothing, in common with us.

We are extremely concerned by the frequent statements in the media made by the people allegedly representing our interests among others that (a) ‘transsexualism’ is an outdated, non-medical, archaic, disused and even transphobic term of describing a ‘transgender’ person;
that (b) ‘gender dysphoria’ is no longer a medically recognised condition and is not required (along with any other medical observation or diagnosis or involvement of the medical professional ‘gate-keepers’) for a person to ‘self identify’ as a ‘transgender’;
that (b) ‘gender dysphoria’ is no longer a medically recognised condition and is not required (along with any other medical observation or diagnosis or involvement of the medical professional ‘gate-keepers’) for a person to ‘self identify’ as a ‘transgender’;

3. While ‘transgender’ and ‘trans’ were originally synonymous to those diagnosed as ‘transsexuals’, it is evident now that these terms are hijacked and appropriated by the self-proclaimed ‘social justice’ activists, transvestites/crossdressers, fetishists and people ‘exploring’ their gender, having complex mental health issues or the ulterior motives for their associations with ‘transgender’ community. This development prompted many transsexuals to refrain from using these terms and insist on being identified by our original medical term ‘transsexual’, disassociating as much as possible from those claiming to be ‘trans’ or ‘transgender’ without any medical justification.

4. We are concerned about the proposed ‘gender self id’ changes to the key legislation protecting specifically our needs and rights and expressly referring to ‘transsexuals’, not ‘transgender’, – Gender Recognition Act 2004. ‘Streamlining’ or making it easier for the individuals claiming to be ‘transgender’ without ‘gender dysphoria’ to obtain in an ‘over-the-counter’ manner the ‘Gender Recognition Certificates’ allowing them to change birth certificates and according them legal rights of the opposite sex and protections presently accorded to women and transsexuals under the Equality Act 2010 may bring adverse results. We believe that without genuine medical diagnosis, surgical and social transition, assurances of the absence of other mental health conditions and/or criminal record of violent or sexual crimes, an easier way of obtaining such significant documents would only result in the increase in crime and litigation, make our society less safe for everyone and cause a tremendous damage to the hard won good social reputation of the decent transsexual women. We strongly disagree with the recent claims by the Equality Committee that GRA-2004 was not working and needed to be changed dramatically. It worked well for most of the genuine transsexuals and the proposed changes would make it meaningless and serve not the needs of the people for whom it was originally drafted.

5. Having lived substantial parts of our lives as women and with women, we are particularly concerned about the rights of women of all ages and from all walks of life whose safety would be compromised by the uncontrollable self-identification of some men as women, their demands of access to female only spaces, their frequently demonstrated express misogyny, disrespect for the biological needs and specific rights of the young girls, mothers, lesbians and many other, traditionally, female only, social groups. While we greatly value the rights of the transsexuals, we would always object to any ‘trans rights’ encroaching and gradually erasing women’s rights or creating inaccurate medical, sports, criminal, consumer, political or any other statistics.

6. We are strongly concerned about the rapidly increasing transphobia some of our members have been experiencing for the first time in many years as a result of the intensive media activity of the ‘transgender activists’ successfully persuading some members of the public that ‘gender dysphoria’ doesn’t exist, that crossdressers and transsexuals are all the same under ‘transgender umbrella’, etc. Unlike the genuine transsexuals who have spent their entire lives trying to seamlessly integrate in the society without drawing unnecessary attention, seeking confrontation or gaining unfavourable reputation, many modern ‘trans activists’ see no other purpose to their lives than to earn petty political capital by confronting the entire world and demanding it to change and submit to them immediately.
   Transsexuals, by their very definition, aren’t political activists and until recently tried to avoid any confrontation even with the ‘trans activists’. But that was never a silent permission to make statements or demand any special rights on our behalf.

7. We don’t oppose anyone’s personal right to explore or express themselves and believe that further equality for any such individuals may be eventually achieved by the legislators. But we equally believe that no rights of any group should be treated as superior to any other group, no hard won rights of any group should be allowed to be hijacked or appropriated along with the group’s specific name and terminology, and that the society in general should not be allowed to be made a victim of the ‘loudest’ ‘social activists’ imposing on everyone else their new rules and definitions. Men and women, and even transsexuals, were here well before those calling themselves today ‘transgender’. And none of us, no matter how outdated, archaic or ‘cis’ we may seem to you, are leaving. Gender expressionists (‘transgender’) would have to learn to live with us and to respect our rights before their rights are accepted in any form. That’s why everything has to be debated, not imposed on the unaware public. And all rights have to accommodate and make sensible allowances for the rights of the other groups you co-exist with. One of them is us – the transsexuals. We know we don’t speak on behalf of all medically transitioned people, but our number is growing daily as more and more of us can no longer keep silent while being erased. We hope to hear from more transsexual women who share our concerns. We have a secret facebook group to which you may be added - a safe space full of understanding transsexuals and a respectful discussion of our present predicament. ~ THE END

I just saw it. Fb link on twitter worked fine for me - no security warning. It’s a very new fb page - no real posts yet, just the transcript of the twitter thread.

The further I read the bigger my smile. Really pleased to see that more people are seeing the TRA for what they really are. And being prepared to speak out.

Thanks Apollo - wow, it really is a long thread.
I've posted it in mewe - some may have seen, Miranda Y is in there but hasn't said if she is involved.
I'm hopeful.
I see a lot of women on twitter saying they DGAF about being called 'transphobic and so fucking what, when called out for thought crimes.
I think twitter being used to threaten women is losing its power, women (and men) are finding other ways to connect .... All in all a pretty positive vibe now ?
Also, the word is getting out - I'm off to Essex to radicalise my huge family! And their friends, and their friends.
We have #stickers!!!

It’s a great thread and we are all trying to retweet it.

Good tweets, well written and coherent. It's about time this sort of clear statement was made in public and I am pleased it has been done so.

Hopefully it means the wider world will start to notice.

This is beautifully put. This group should be frightened. They're potentially the biggest losers, as if things go badly and the gates between women and men are closed again, which side of them will they be put on? I'm really scared on their behalf.

This is marvellous, great stuff.

I bet they don’t get half the flak that GC natal women would get for the same thing.

Excellent. They are our allies. Their message needs to get out there as I really believe that the general public is very ignorant about what 'trans' people are. I know that all RL discussions I've had rest on this assumption.

Fantastic. As others have said, these are the people who are most at risk of actual transphobia and the current lot of trans activists are hurting them as much as they are women.
Happy to stand beside them and support them with this.

this is great.

message to lurking TRAs... note how this group is able to express its needs and rights whilst recognising and respecting the needs and rights of another vulnerable group? note how they are able to do this despite the fact their dysphoria may make it genuinely painful to admit they are a discrete group from natal women?

sure there will always have been narcissists but collaborative, caring, listening attitudes like this are how a society gets ahead and grows and cares for its citizens.

What a brilliant message and we are definitely allies. I am so glad they are speaking out.

❤️ that Post.

Thank you, whoever wrote that. We are on the same side.

The current law comprises women. If they cared about that they would be fighting against existing laws, not just trying to stop self ID

This takes courage - and it's good to hear transsexual voices being added to the few lone ones.

Everyone is so frightened of the TRAs. Their threats, their violence, their baseball bats, the masked men, the repeated and consistent attacks on people's jobs, their careers. I keep thinking that someone in those well funded trans organisations will realise that this has to stop but no... on they go, fuelling and encouraging the vile behaviour. The only positive is that it's all evidence. Every time I speak to someone sceptical, I only have to point them in the direction of the violence, the exhibitions, the threats and they almost screech to a halt in horror at what they are reading.

Thank you to all those who are raising their heads and speaking out in public.

Fantastic . I'm delighted you found and posted that link, I'm hoping with, blogs like this the real trans voice can be heard and we can start to undo any damage done by the ones I cannot mention for fear of deletion.

Buckle up its going to get nasty as the anti woman genderists start to feel their power and influence ebbing away.

So very heartening to read.

Interesting development. A flick through the responses shows at least one big media agency looking to do a feature (not the beeb, ahahaha).

Oh my god I love this

It’s every thought I’ve had about this whole nonsense business wrapped in to one and eloquently argued for me

Feel like this should be posted on the main boards rather than feminism so other posters can see what the issues are - not just the “we hate trans” message that some people seem to think

I really hope that these voices are heard in the formal consultation.

I know that I've learnt a lot from @onthishill - particularly the rebuttal of the statment that the Gender Recognition Act "isn't working". Their insight, knowledge and experience drives a coach and horses through that unsubstantiated assertion.

It's not just self-id. It's more about redefining 'gender reassignment' as a protected characteristic in the Equality Act. There needs to be gatekeeping and safeguarding to exclude chancers.

It remains to be seen whether this group stand for anything different. They could have specifically identified and condemned the use of ‘TERF’ and the attack on female homosexuality; if they’re that concerned about respecting female culture, spaces and the lives of women, I’d look for an explicit distancing from the use of ‘lesbian’, ‘mother’ and ‘woman’. Unfortunately many of ‘the good trans’ still can’t bring themselves to this more evolved point.

Remember TSRainCrew? Tried to sell themselves as the ‘good trans’ and made similar arguments about cultural distinction. Yet in reality their spokespeople ended up being just as big dicks as the gendersists they criticised.

If they’re going to be different, they actually have to be different. Else this is just another attempt to claim a higher spot on the validity hierarchy.