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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Transexual voices - twitter thread

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OnThisHill · 16/08/2018 01:38

twitter.com/tsvoices/status/1029863492197785600?s=19

Please read this, I really feel the tide is turning.
We are being heard. The message is getting out, but sadly, I think the gender activists have created a climate where a backlash will come, and these guys are saying the same.

BUT - I think we're reaching tipping point...... What do you all think?

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SimonBridges · 16/08/2018 20:08

Well yes, but they don’t do everything. They get the blame/credit for far to much.

Moominfan · 16/08/2018 20:11

Blocked off there twitter on various terf lists

Hulo · 16/08/2018 20:26

Update: they had to change their account. They're back up here twitter.com/ts_voices

heresyandwitchcraft · 16/08/2018 20:30

PSA

That seems to be the "fake" account, which bears absolutely no resemblance to the original. There are some truly troublesome statements on that timeline.

For anyone who is blocked here is their current timeline

TranssexualVoicesMatter
@ ts_voices

A groups of transsexuals with medically diagnosed medical gender dysphoria who receive medical treatment for our medical medical MEDICAL MEDICAL

This is their opening thread with 3 Likes (Hetty Spoon, Dr Adrian Harrop, Nicola Jayne)

We are a group of transsexual women from all walks of life who were diagnosed with the rare acute forms of gender dysphoria and treated in accordance with the modern medical science. #tsvoices

We have come together to express our concerns related to self ID and the trans activist movement

We see ourselves as supportive to women. But not all women. The women who include trans people and believe that trans people’s identities are legitimate are not our friends.

We only support women who see transsexuals as deranged males to be pitied. We only support women who kind of hate us.

But also men. We support men who hate us, and men who only support women who agree with them about how fucked up trans people are.

Basically, if you kind of hate trans people...we support you!

And if you are “transgender” but have not had all the medicine like us, just...shhhh. We are talking now.

Melamin · 16/08/2018 20:36

That is sad.

Melamin · 16/08/2018 20:40

twitter.com/tsvoices

I have this on my timeline. It is better.

Melamin · 16/08/2018 20:41

Transsexual Voices Matter‏ @tsvoices · 10m10 minutes ago

 More

There were numerous attempts today to hack our account by the trans activists. Pls be aware that @ts_voices is a fake mock account created to ridicule our cause. Pls don’t follow and be careful

LighthouseSouth · 16/08/2018 20:47

I find it a bit strange that they have already said they've got to disable the Twitter and Facebook to sort themselves out a bit more and tidy up the statements

who would put the info out there with the plan of taking it down?

that is actually on their page, not the fake copies

I would think it's possibly another way to collect data?

Hulo · 16/08/2018 20:49

Ah yes, wow this is getting so bad.

The latest tweets from the proper account

'There were numerous attempts today to hack our account by the trans activists. Pls be aware that @ts_voices is a fake mock account created to ridicule our cause. Pls don’t follow and be careful.'

'Please also be aware that this twitter account and Facebook page will be disabled in the coming days to allow us resolve internal issues and prepare and more sound statement.'

Melamin · 16/08/2018 20:52

Yes - they have a lot of follows. I will hold off.

Ereshkigal · 16/08/2018 20:54

Brilliant video by Lisa Muggeridge which absolutely nails it for me. They have acknowledged it and conceded the points she makes.

m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=iL0li_w91V4

Ereshkigal · 16/08/2018 20:58

And here is the chillingly prescient piece she wrote a couple of years ago:

idgeofreason.wordpress.com/2017/01/16/recipe-for-backlash/

LighthouseSouth · 16/08/2018 21:02

oh they joined in December 2013

and the account is "going to sleep" already?

very odd.

Melamin · 16/08/2018 21:28

It seems to have gone down again Hmm

R0wantrees · 16/08/2018 21:32

I noticed India Willoughby & Caitlin Jenna had been tagged into the latest thread... Hmm

R0wantrees · 16/08/2018 21:34

Do read Lisa Muggeridge's article that Ereshkigal has linked. It is as she says, chillingly prescient.

Melamin · 16/08/2018 21:48

Powerful articles, and powerful video.

heresyandwitchcraft · 16/08/2018 21:59

Thanks Ereshkigal
I've added threads on Lisa to the FAQs

Ereshkigal · 16/08/2018 22:11

Brilliant Star

fractalplimsoll · 16/08/2018 23:51

I have just watched Lisa M's video and, wow she is so spot on and eloquently blunt.

Some people may have seen my posts under this username about the MH condition Dissociative Identity Disorder (DID), formerly Multiple Personality Disorder, and Lisa, as well as ebing spot on about the shortcomings of today's statement, has got to the heart of what I was clumsily trying to say.

That some people out there have this very unwell, mentally disordered thinking, from a variety of MH conditions, and in many ways the psycholgical device of transition that Lisa talks about as working for most transsexuals to manage their internal distress is not working for some people, and that after all this is played out, we will see a backlash, and suffer from not haivng diagnosed and treated these MH condtions.

I am afraid of the backlash for people with DID (which is caused by severe child abuse) and similar MH condtions, as well as the risk that their condtion will also become trivialised and at the same time even further twisted and demonised than in film and some media portrayals.

Because they do suffer and do have disordered thinking, and are not necessarily at all abusive to anyone except themselves, but some people are clearly mentally deranged and disorder and are real risk and that for all our sakes, MH disorder behaviour does need to be recognised, diagnosed and treated. As does narcissism. Narcissism can be a feature of some parts in a DID person. We can still draw boundaries and condemn the behaviour without condemning a whole unwell person, and have some hope to resolve their disordered thinking whilst balancing that hope with keeping the world safe.

One hope that has been dawning on me slowly and more so after listening to Lisa, is that maybe, eventully, when this narcisstic raging disordered bubble has played out as Lisa says, and we women have been forced to draw our all of our boundaries and stand up for them, silence is acquiesence as Lisa says, maybe we will have finally revealed the whole truth about narcissim and disordered and abusive behaviour and the way that certain types of people (men and misogyny) have shaped our world and economies almost as if we are part of one big male dominated personality disordered organism, and that in the end if we persist we will have shone the light on it all so brightly that it will break the cycle.

Perhaps rather than feel disheartened and fearful, that this that is happening now and on such a grand world scale withTwitter and FB etc is a vital and inevitable part of the abuse whackamole, as was Jimmy Saville, and that maybe actually this fight is a good sign that we are dealing with the worst of human psychology and pathology and are getting to the heart of the matter.

I don't know, maybe what I am trying to say is that this is the hardest part of society's psychological therapy if you like - the raw exposing dark truth of the raging harmed and harming that must be unleashed before the healing and progress can start. (Sadly not played out in a safe controlled therapeutic space however...) And that in the end that scales will fall as never before.

I don't want to sound woo as I am not! Just thought (hoped) that actually maybe this is not a failure and a set back, but actually a sign of progress.

Thank you Lisa.

Popchyk · 17/08/2018 09:53

Can't see the Twitter thread.

Has the account been suspended because of, and I'm guessing here, transphobia?

R0wantrees · 17/08/2018 09:56

I think the account commented yesterday that it would shortly be taken down to resolve some things.

SwearyG · 17/08/2018 09:57

They said yesterday they would take down the account for a few days to sort out some stuff behind the scenes (seems odd to me, why not do that before you launch).

I don’t buy it yet. It all seems too convenient. The “perfect”statement, the account going offline, the troll account (with the usual followers), the account popping back up.

Popchyk · 17/08/2018 09:59

Oh okay.

Will wait until it is back up.