America: Parents make violent threats/comments about trans teen

[HamsterToast]

A group of parents in America have been making violent comments about a 12 year old trans girl.

www.pinknews.co.uk/2018/08/14/transgender-castrate-child-oklahoma-parents-threaten-school/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=Buffer&utm_campaign=PN

Whatever you think about children and trans and bathrooms, this is totally unacceptable, that poor kid.

This the kind of behaviour that many people allege feminists/TERFS engage in, against trans people. Most of us know that feminists/TERFS do not do this, but this could be an opportunity to prove it.

I hope that if the chance arises, those critical of trans/gender will openly and strongly condemn such violence/threats against trans people. If you don't already.

We all know that this kind of threat is horribly common against anyone trans or gender critical. I seldom see anyone standing up for feminists who get threats from TRAs.

Let's be the opposite and make sure we denounce violence against trans people and such behaviour.

If it had happened in the UK I would suggest an open letter to make it clear this kind of thing is condemned.

I suspected as much Warm, I've had posts quoted under different names & read other screen shots which sounded perfectly reasonable so it seems some people have difficulty grasping the actual content of what they think is 'evidence' of hatred/bigotry/transphobia.

Obviously a bit too dim to realise the excellent PR job they are doing for FWR & the GC feminists who post here.

The only way to know someone was looking under the stall...is if you see their face under the stall.

Leaning so far forward your head is that low would be very uncomfortable. That said some US toilet cubicles are knee high so maybe it's easier over there

Odd that the child would have their head pointing/eyes looking sideways into the next cubicle though. And which is correct? In the past, the child used the staff toilets or they used the girls' and a complaint was made?

I've always liked the comments on a Crooked Timber post on the topic: Will-You-Condemn-athon

Thank you for all the thoughtful comments. And no, I'm not a lurking, plotting TRA.

The people like saying things like 'why should we have to condemn it' 'who are you to tell us' are spectacularly missing the point.

The first thing I thought when I read that article is 'that poor kid, those parents are scary'. Then I thought 'shit this is going to be used as evidence that those who want to keep bathrooms single sex, are crazy bigots who threaten trans people'.

Indeed, all over the net this story is being used as a 'see, this is what TERFS and bigots do to trans people'.

This is a great opportunity to actively show that we, (unlike all the people who have been silent about the abuse of feminists), are rational, kind people who condemn threats and violence. We should take this chance to openly, vocally be the opposite of what is being done to us.

Not only would that correctly reflect our nature, it would be evidence to use in the future that we actively condemn threats and violence.

It is simple reputation management.

That is as well as it just being right to condemn violent threats against a child.

It is great to have this space here to vent and agree with each other but we should all do well to be mindful of being watched and our words/actions being used against us. The stakes are too high.

The reason I didn't explicitly come out and say all this is, again, because I know we are being screen-shotted and it could be used as a 'they pretend to care but see they are just manipulating'.

Do most of you just talk on here without considering this stuff?

@Noqont I was not using the term TERF to insult women. If I was I would've said 'This the kind of behaviour that feminists/TERFS engage in.'

What I said was 'This the kind of behaviour that many people allege feminists/TERFS engage in'. I was repeating the words of others who use that term- hence 'many people allege'.

Perhaps I should have said 'This the kind of behaviour that many people allege feminists/ and the type of women they call TERFS (which I reject as a term and believe is a slur) engage in.

I'll be more clear next time

Thanks hamster. I did miss the nuance of this in your original post. Sorry.

This is a great opportunity to actively show that we, (unlike all the people who have been silent about the abuse of feminists), are rational, kind people who condemn threats and violence. We should take this chance to openly, vocally be the opposite of what is being done to us.

I have no patience for people who insist that women must start doing what we already do every day. It stinks of concern trolling, whether it is sincere or not.

If you think it so important that women express their objections to what a bunch of bullies did somewhere in the US then go you and do that thing.
Go well.

The posts the school parents posted are sickening.

A poster up thread says every one was letting that child down and I agree.

These kids are getting caught up in terrible agenda that adults have caused.

@noqont No problem, I think I was so busy trying to be cunningly vague in my post that I was just vague lol :-)

@thebewilderness Actually that approach might be the most successful. Most social changes comes about with a mixture of expressed anger/protest and rational discussion and mediation. I'm not much good at the confrontation stuff but I'm good at the second bit. I do think it's important to consider 'how things look' though. Not to the point that you stop fighting. But I do worry that we are teetering on the edge of being dismissed by the people who matter as crazy bigots. ie The ones who make the laws who are influenced by public opinion. There has been good work done to challenge that view by people like WPUK, by being clear and rational. We need to keep that going.

Hamster, the very fact that you posted this tells us you don't read much fuck all on FWR. I'm with thebewilderness on this - if you've bought into the narrative that posters here are 'crazy bigots' needing to appease then I suggest you do a bit more reading before you post with instructions on what 'we' need to do or say to 'please' others.

There's nothing posted on FWR by genuine posters not those plopping in with their disingenuous concerns that would suggest anyone here would condone threatening a child but you somehow feel we need to 'prove' that?

Take your concern elsewhere - those who do threaten violence could do with your lecturing.

HamsterToast

Were you aware that this is a parenting website?

Do most of you just talk on here without considering this stuff?

Considering the stuff that just so happened because of your thread, that we pointed out was being screen shot showing how mean FWR is you mean.

No, never crossed our minds. How could it, if you weren't here to tell us what to do?

Well the types of people that label others terfs and bigots aren't really going to change their minds and decide we are really lovely fluffy feminists if we condemn the perpetrators of the threats in this story are they, as it doesn't suit their agenda to listen to what women have to say . So why start a post on it I wonder??

Could you patronise this thread up a bit OP? Not sure it's quite there yet.

You brought this to our attention and told us how to react. It was patronising. I don't really care what some random on Twitter thinks

I think if you were sincere you might think about whether you have the need to prove that you are nice to people who are not. If you are a woman, you might want to consider why that is. And I am well aware how patronising I've just been

I think creating this thread obliged people to respond as otherwise if it were tumbleweed it would have been pointed to as evidence of our horrible transchild hating. When of course when this didn't happen it was still screenshot in a desperate attempt to pretend that we support this abuse of a child.

You brought this to our attention and told us how to react. It was patronising. I don't really care what some random on Twitter thinks

This.

Such depths of manipulation - almost as if it was being posted by a [sex of person who may or may not have posted this thread removed by MNHQ].

OP, I understand you want feminists to condemn the violence in the article (btw, apparently, it's not the actual parents of children in the school, it's randoms from outside the area), but feminists relentlessly condemn violence already.

It's not a new thing.
It's like asking people to condemn terrorists. Nudging them, because if they don't spontaneously do it, they must be complicit.

The other thing that I don't think you are aware of, is that it absolutely doesn't matter what feminists say. It's completely irrelevant to TRAs. They cut and paste random bits of text, couple them together and go, see!

Look what they said about Anne Ruzylo and Linda Bellos. Taking random words, and stringing them together out of context.

Like a kid's montage. Even this thread. The title taken out of context and stuff invented around it.

It's pointless. The only way to avoid it is to never speak.

#NoDebate.

We see you, TRAs, always. Not directed at anyone in particular.

Can we mention McCarthyism?

The other thing that I don't think you are aware of, is that it absolutely doesn't matter what feminists say. It's completely irrelevant to TRAs. They cut and paste random bits of text, couple them together and go, see!

Like the tweet I posted earlier, they only posted the title of this thread and tried to whip up outrage that we supported violent threats and abuse of this child even though not one person said that.

Is it too late for cake?

Like the tweet I posted earlier, they only posted the title of this thread and tried to whip up outrage that we supported violent threats and abuse of this child even though not one person said that.

Exactly. It does say a lot about them that they hold people in such contempt they they don't think, for a single second, they'll actually follow the logical course of checking out the thread themself.