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"People Who Oppose Trans Rights Have No Place In Labour," Says The First LGBT Mayoral Adviser

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RadicalFern · 07/08/2018 17:39

Andy Burnham, Mayr of Greater Manchester, has hired an advisor, Carl Austin-Behan, to help him think of what to do about "the row" over All-Women shortlists. Austin-Behan's solution? Party members who campaign against trans women being fully accepted as women should no longer be allowed in the party.

Austin-Behan described opposition as "Utter rubbish; if people are trans women, then they are women.”

www.buzzfeed.com/patrickstrudwick/people-who-oppose-trans-rights-have-no-place-in-labour-says?utm_term=.mdWBWxEelr&bftwuk#.mkdLwq18nP

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WarmWishes · 08/08/2018 08:14

Kaldefotter this is a blog by one of the jc9, if that helps. www.gal-dem.com/terf-war-labour-party-trans-justice/

Juells · 08/08/2018 08:16

@heresyandwitchcraft

I am going to leave this here, and ask you how much this candidate for "Women's Officer" is actually focusing on female issues?

I genuinely thought this was a piss-take, for the first minute or so :( That grim, friendly, smile...

LassWiADelicateAir · 08/08/2018 08:19

which senior members of the Conservative party have been charged or convicted of child abuse?

That's the whole point. Every investigation into it is deliberately scuppered and covered up. That's where the Yew tree investigations were heading and then the whole thing was wound down

Wiltshire police spent £1.5m on an investigation into Ted Heath which was rubbished by an academic criminologist. The extensive investigations into Leon Britten led to nothing either.

kaldefotter · 08/08/2018 08:21

Brilliant, thank you WarmWishes.

R0wantrees · 08/08/2018 09:47

heresyandwitchcraft campaign video:

Eden Ladley NUS LGBT+ Officer (Women's Place) 2018/19 NEC 2nd Place (1st is Jess Bradley- currently suspended pending investigation)

www.nusconnect.org.uk/liberation/trans-students/campaign-committee-2017-18
www.nusconnect.org.uk/elected-officers/lgbt-officer-women-s-place

Eden Ladley organising role in Trans 18 conference
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3237230-NUS-Conference-breaks-down-after-the-UK-Border-Force-Arrive

Eden Ladley also co-ran workshop at NUS Women's 18 'How to Deal with Terfs'.
Thread discussing slideshow from workshop (link with MN intern who breached data)
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3222263-Slide-show-on-How-to-Deal-with-TERFs

19/7/18 Young Labour Hornsey & Wood Green panelist with Lily Madigan and Jess Bradley, trans rights ( focus was transmisogyny ):

twitter.com/HWGYoungLabour/status/1020009994471854081

from thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3309758-This-never-happens-male-offenders-in-female-prisons?pg=6

SuburbanRhonda · 08/08/2018 09:51

I am going to leave this here, and ask you how much this candidate for "Women's Officer" is actually focusing on female issues?

I genuinely thought this was a piss-take, for the first minute or so sad That grim, friendly, smile...

And wtaf with “making sure that this year’s officer team is working hard for LGBTQ* students, including women and other minorities”?

Are these people naturally that ignorant or do they have to do a module in it?

Needmoresleep · 08/08/2018 10:05

Ereshkigal

*Do they want to win the next election? Or are they deliberately going out of their way to alienate a huge chunk of their own members?

Perhaps they just want total control of the Party rather than to be electable.*

I think they want both. I think that the LP is holding back on Brexit because they want the Conservative Party to suffer the electoral fall-out.

Then Jeremy/his friends (Jeremy could be ditched or simply be too old) will take over No 10, having complete control of the party and without interference from Brussels.

Lots of Nationalisation (tricky at the moment given EU State Aids policies) and judging from this, Misogeny.

littlbrowndog · 08/08/2018 10:06

Lols at edens YouTube
“ women’s officer is not just for women “

What the actual

R0wantrees · 08/08/2018 10:09

NUS Women's 18 Slideshow frrm workshop at conference:
Eden Ladley & Rowan Davis

also recommended by mimmymum (Helen from Mermaids)

WPUK
'similarity between fascist street organising'

"People Who Oppose Trans Rights Have No Place In Labour," Says The First LGBT Mayoral Adviser
"People Who Oppose Trans Rights Have No Place In Labour," Says The First LGBT Mayoral Adviser
"People Who Oppose Trans Rights Have No Place In Labour," Says The First LGBT Mayoral Adviser
SuburbanRhonda · 08/08/2018 10:14

That slideshow, R0wan Shock

The lack of critical thinking is terrifying.

R0wantrees · 08/08/2018 10:15

Slide show cont.

Transgender Trend
"weponisation of children"

Structural Tactics
"Fighting alongside Action for Trans Health and others for the liberation of trans people"

'Where to go for more info':
theterfs.com/ "A really good site that outlines common TERF arguments"

"People Who Oppose Trans Rights Have No Place In Labour," Says The First LGBT Mayoral Adviser
"People Who Oppose Trans Rights Have No Place In Labour," Says The First LGBT Mayoral Adviser
"People Who Oppose Trans Rights Have No Place In Labour," Says The First LGBT Mayoral Adviser
R0wantrees · 08/08/2018 10:17

Rowan Davis Women's Place Committee identifies as non-binary trans woman.

Juells · 08/08/2018 10:20

"Putting yourself between trans people and the TERFS"

Hahaha - good way to get punched by a TRA.

The cheek of it, advising women to put themselves in danger to protect men.

BettyDuMonde · 08/08/2018 10:20

Just watched the video Heresy posted upthread...

As someone who studied for their BA full time, whilst raising a toddler as a single mother, I am not at all convinced that Eden will be very useful as a women’s officer.

I don’t think the internet is convinced either - look at this screen shot for the title of the video that YouTube has suggested I watch next:

"People Who Oppose Trans Rights Have No Place In Labour," Says The First LGBT Mayoral Adviser
FloralBunting · 08/08/2018 10:24

Betty Grin, I'm so glad you spotted that - so did I!! (I was amused by the start of Eden's video, starting on the stairs and walking down with hand on hip. Like Rita fucking Hayworth, FFS)

R0wantrees · 08/08/2018 10:44

The cheek of it, advising women to put themselves in danger to protect men.

NUS Women18 Conference was April 10-11th 2018
Highlights:
(extract)
"At this year’s Women’s conference, gendered power structures linked conversations with debate. Workshops centred on topics including Gendered Islamophobia, Reproductive Rights in Ireland and how to tackle TERFS (trans-exclusionary radical feminism). Yet it was the overwhelming positivity that emerged as the true champion of Women’s conference"
www.nusconnect.org.uk/articles/nuswomen18-love-conference-highlights

So this would be was prior to both the 'We Need to Talk about Sex' meeting at Bristol Jam Jar and the WPUK Oxford meeting?

Bristol:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3228346-Everyone-should-see-this-IMPORTANT

Oxford:
Michael Biggs Associate Professor in Sociology and Fellow of St Cross College writes:

users.ox.ac.uk/~sfos0060/FreeSpeechOxford.pdf

"A meeting was held on 25 April 2018 to discuss proposed changes to the law on gender recognition. The proposed legislation will eliminate sex-segregated spaces and activities, from women’s refuges to competitive sports. In a democracy, people have the right to meet to discuss—and indeed oppose—legislative changes. This should be incontrovertible. I am appalled that a small number of students at Oxford used extreme measures to stop this meeting from being held....
(concludes)
I have entered this debate not because I am a feminist but because freedom of speech is one of the highest values of a democratic society, and the basic foundation of university life.
Transgender activism poses a grave threat to freedom of speech. I think of the young MPhil student who had to disguise herself to attend this meeting because she feared the reaction of fellow students. This is the generation that we have educated."

Founder of Trans Oxford:
"l‘m not condemning the meeting of Womans Place_UK but the shameful campaign of bullying and intimidation organised by the students and transactivists outside of the QuakerHouse.
I’ve studied in Oxford, once a capital of freethought and freespeech, known for its fair debates with respect to the opinions of one’s opponents and refreshingly skilful and witty arguments challenging their views.

Bullying, although surfacing occasionally, was never welcome, especially, in the LGBT circles having too many victims of it knowing only too well how much it hurts. But last night the tables have turned - and the bullied became the bullies"

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3234661-Condemnation-of-the-shameful-campaign-of-bullying-intimidation-against-WPUK-meeting-by-founder-of-TransOxford

IfNotNowThenWhen1 · 08/08/2018 10:50

Sort out women's equality before you start including transwomen. Idiots

But transwomen can be included. They just can't be included on AWSL.
Andy Burnham is a dim bulb isn't he. Christ on a trycycle.

Juells · 08/08/2018 10:56

But transwomen can be included.

Why does feminism have to be inclusive? Who made that rule?

placemats · 08/08/2018 12:10

Men made that rule Juells

BettyDuMonde · 08/08/2018 12:30

The founder of Trans Oxford quoted above is ‘Angry Bird’ on twitter, I believe?

And yes, men made the rules. All the sodding rules. And they keep changing the rules, too.

I’m tempted to have a go at rewriting that awful ‘The Rules’ dating guide book - a new, updated version, for the woke generation...

(Just for the record though, AB and his new advisor are definitely from the non-Corbyn, non Momentum side of the LP - I’m not sure if that’s cheering news or not)

ijustwannadance · 08/08/2018 12:32

"women’s officer is not just for women"

So they admit they are not women then?

I would love a body language expert to watch some of the TRA videos.
On the one JB declares that there is no such thing as a real women, the smirk when JB says it is so telling. As false as the faux soft voice and pretence of being afraid to speak on tv.

There is another one where OJ is interviewing Ruth Hunt. The smugness and distain for women is obvious.

Popchyk · 08/08/2018 12:34

I think in Labour if you are seen as non-Corbyn worshipping then that immediately sets you apart from the faithful, and you are viewed with suspicion.

So these people wouldn't dare take a stand on anything else. They have to toe every single other Labour Party line otherwise they know they will be hounded out.

TalkingintheDark · 08/08/2018 13:23

I had no idea Andy Burnham was so ignorant, and so uninterested in women’s rights. How very disappointing.

Males making rules to make sure other males retain as much power as possible. And calling it progress.

These two men - AB and his new advisor - thoroughly disgust me. How dare people like this talk about the integrity of others, as if they were in possession of any themselves. How dare they assign to themselves the role of moral judge and guardian, when they have no right whatsoever to such a position and in fact are actively precluded from it by their own vile bigotry and prejudice against women?

hackmum · 08/08/2018 13:51

Talking: it sickens me too. I thought the Labour Party was the one place where feminism had made some impact but it seems it's just as full of misogynists as anywhere else. I guess they won't be happy until all the feminists have gone and all that remains is a bunch of angry young men in beards and their fawning handmaidens.