Julie Burchill on Brighton transpride and nonbinary affectation

[2rebecca]

Will post link below as can't remember how to do it when starting threads. I heard she was at the recent Women's Place event in Brighton, she mentions it but wrote this before the event. Would be interesting to hear what she thought of that too. I love a bit of Julie Burchill. Totally agree with her.

I didn't see how her question was relevant. It's obvious that gay men are oppressed by men. It's also obvious that lesbians face more oppression than gay men, I wasn't denying that or saying that gay men had it worse. I just had a problem with the article because it suggests that gay men are not oppressed at all in modern society.

Doesn't it depend a. It in how you define "oppressed"? Gay men face prejudice. I don't think they are oppressed in our society. Women are oppressed as a class (sorry for using the c word!) by our society.

Yes i wish she hadn't put that bit in about gay men not having anything to complain about in western countries. Obviously they do - and it is those issues that organisations like Stonewall should be campaigning on, rather than dismantling women's rights and safeguarding.

Brilliant. Why are the non-binaries such a vicious, miserable lot? this, a billion times over.

Yes i wish she hadn't put that bit in about gay men not having anything to complain about in western countries

come on, it wouldn't be a Julie Burchill article without a smattering of provocative generalities. she isn't an academic, she's a talking head writing an opinion piece.

by george that woman can write.

She really can. Love her!

Privileged, straight woman confirms LGBT people are not oppressed. Yawn.

She’s not straight?

She didn't grow up privileged?

Working class bisexual woman scoffs at commenters who don't bother to read her bio.

Correction: Privileged, straight women who had 'adolescent adventures in sexual perversity' tells LGBT people they're not oppressed. Yawn yawn yawn.

Up late were we?

I know excessive sneering can cause sleeplessness

In this case privileged = person with a working class upbringing who has really achieved things

Julie burchill doesn't seem that privileged if she can't define her own sexuality.

You should perhaps read up about someone before making untrue assumptions about them, jasminemaya.

Quite enjoyed Sugar Rush and her Guardian columns used to be vaguely entertaining but she seems to have completely lost the plot since then.

I think in her head it's still about 1980.

Ah

Old = irrelevant

Gotcha

Good display of prej

I meant prejudice of course!

Prej is how the cool kids say it

Gosh, why must women insist on still existing after they've gotten old? Shouldn't be allowed.

Quite a pitiful existence for a previously high profile journalist to be reduced to writing 'edgy' homophobic and transphobic rants on Spiked online, but if it makes her happy I don't suppose it's really harming anyone.

Mmm Jasmine were you planning on engaging with what she actually said at any point or are comments about JBs privilege and age all you've got

Because someone witnessing that behaviour might come to the conclusion that you're worried she has a point

More desperation...it appears TRAs are beginning to get a teensy bit worried.😁

Julie Burchill has spent her entire career being provocative. To be honest, I'd start feeling worried if I agreed with everything she wrote.

Some of you may remember her 2013 piece about transgenderism for the Observer, which drew so many complaints that the Observer pulled it. Toby Young republished it for a while on his Telegraph blog, but I couldn't find it when I looked just now. But while looking, I found this other piece by her on the problems of intersectionality, which is breathtakingly good and chimes with a lot of the stuff we've been arguing for some time:

www.spectator.co.uk/2014/02/dont-you-dare-tell-me-to-check-my-privilege/