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Jess Bradley - a government advisor on women's rights suspended by NUS over indecent blog. Part iii

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MipMipMip · 03/08/2018 13:54

There doesnt seem to be another part 3 coming up si here goes.

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BirthCanal · 09/08/2018 01:50

Said woman has obviously never been raped or sexually assaulted so she has no clue. What.so.ever

thebewilderness · 09/08/2018 02:04

Misogyny is not just for men. We all get the same social conditioning.
A shocking number of people thoughtlessly believe that women are responsible for what men do. You see it on this web site every day.

WhereDoWeBeginToCovetClarice · 09/08/2018 08:49

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R0wantrees · 09/08/2018 12:37

This article was published yesterday. Two girls aged 10 and 12 were seriously assaulted in women's supermarket toilets :

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"the accused had been to the toilets with a carer and was walking towards the exit when the young child walked past.

Miss Lumsden said: “The accused (said their) mobile phone was still in the toilets and returned to them, alone.

“The young girl was in a cubicle and was sitting with her leggings and pants down when she saw a hand holding a mobile phone over the partition wall.

“The girl shouted and the person rushed out of the adjacent cubicle.”

The young girl then left the toilets and was described as looking “shocked”. The matter was reported to the police who retrieved in-store CCTV footage from the time of the incident.

Investigators were able to identify the teenager, whose accommodation in Kirkcaldy was searched.

A 12-second video clip of the girl on the toilet, followed by footage of the teenager running away, were recovered when an iPad and a mobile phone were seized.

A second incident took place at the Morrison’s store in Kirkcaldy on March 4.

The court was told a 10-year-old girl had been inside the toilets while her father waited outside.

Miss Lumsden said: “The complainer’s dad then heard his daughter screaming and came running out of the bathroom, looking as if she was running away from someone.

“She explained that a crazy man with long hair was in the bathroom and had grabbed her face and pushed her into a cubicle, before demanding she take her trousers off.

“She said the person had said they would stab her mum. She was upset and inconsolable.”

Police officers attended and found the cubicle locked inside the female toilets.

A male voice was heard coming from inside, saying: “I’ve been silly. I bumped into her. I’ve been silly.”

www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/news/local/fife/702003/fife-teen-on-sex-offenders-register-after-supermarket-child-attacks/

thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3329936-teen-films-girl-in-toilet

Observations & questions raised by the article:

The person convicted had a carer with them who may have been with them when they used women's toilets (this is not confirmed with certainty in the article). The person convicted had been in the social care system from the age of three & is described as "actively engaging with mental health services."

The article describes the offender solely in gender neutral terms (the 17-year-old, teenager, the accused, his client) and uses the pronoun 'their'.

The references to description and voice being that of 'man / male' are reported speech and in quotation marks.

The person convicted is 17 (if they identify as transgender they would not have a GRC)

The father of one girl waited outside (what they likely believed) were single sex facilities.

thread which includes both the toolkit and resources produced for professionals working with young people in the care system questioning their gender identity & specifically for children & young people (Tara Hewitt was an adviser) :
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3324578-Vunerabilities-of-Looked-After-Children-Social-Work-CP-restricted-by-affirmation-requirement-Trans-Youth-in-Care-Toolkit

IncrediblySturdyPyjamas · 09/08/2018 12:48

Silly?

Weird how Bespin always says we are being silly.

'Oh I am so silly, I accidentally sexually assaulted someone'.

We see it. We all see it.

WhatTheWatersShowedMe · 09/08/2018 14:18

@raisinsarenottheonlyfruit Well that's very interesting. Wasn't Magdalen Berns recently assaulted in Edinburgh?

WhereDoWeBeginToCovetClarice · 09/08/2018 16:03

Rowan nothing gets past you.

I agree. Is this teen perp a 'transwoman'? The girl describes them as "a crazy man with long hair". The gender neutral terms used in the article elsewhere seem to be avoiding mention of his sex.

LondonLawyer · 09/08/2018 16:24

I'm sure it isn't a coincidence that the Defendant isn't referred to by a pronoun in the entire article.

womensvoicesmatter · 09/08/2018 16:50

WhatTheWatersShowedMe - Magdelen Berns was assaulted in Edinburgh, but she reckons it was a random violent nutcase, not a personal attack because of her feminism.

It's understandable people assume it's personal though, I expect everyone who knows who she is, did when they first heard she'd been attacked. I know I did.

R0wantrees · 09/08/2018 16:52

WhereDoWeBeginToCovetClarice

The vulnerabiliies of the teenager who has been convicted have to be recognised. They have been in the care system since a very young age have MH service involvement and their response to being discovered is suggestive of a much younger person.

None of that is said by way of mitigating the incredibly serious assaults on the two young girls.

The observations are solely based on one article. It seems likely that there is an issue reporting on sex / gender identity given the language used.

As the convicted person had a carer with them on at least one occasion and likely has ongoing social care involvement, there will be an inquiry.

Children and young people in care will have many additional risk factors which could contribute to their questioning their gender identity. They are vulnerable.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 09/08/2018 17:48

Children and young people in care will have many additional risk factors which could contribute to their questioning their gender identity. They are vulnerable

Indeed. Which it's why it is so shocking that TRAs say that nothing other than unquestioning affirmation is literal violence.

There are going to be many young people with serious mental health and other issues who simply do not receive the treatment they need due to this

WhereDoWeBeginToCovetClarice · 09/08/2018 18:01

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LangCleg · 09/08/2018 18:01

Children and young people in care will have many additional risk factors which could contribute to their questioning their gender identity. They are vulnerable.

Which is why adhering to safeguarding frameworks established is so important.

WhereDoWeBeginToCovetClarice · 09/08/2018 18:06

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R0wantrees · 09/08/2018 18:09

WhereDoWeBeginToCovetClarice

We don't know.

As the article mentions pre-sentence reports are being prepared and I am sure there will be an inquiry.

WhereDoWeBeginToCovetClarice · 09/08/2018 18:13

Yes. You're right. I just wanted to put it out there that my first statement was a bit strong and maybe it isn't the system's failure, it may just be the sorry situation of a child have terrible early years.

R0wantrees · 09/08/2018 18:13

WhereDoWeBeginToCovetClarice

I'm really uncomfortable with such speculations about incredibly vulnerable young children who have had social care involvement.

WhereDoWeBeginToCovetClarice · 09/08/2018 18:14

He's not a young child - he is 17 isn't he?

WhereDoWeBeginToCovetClarice · 09/08/2018 18:19

But I can see how these sort of speculations are inappropriate for a public forum. I'm comfy in my livingroom forgetting that people who have been through the care system could read it and be really upset. I'll report myself.

R0wantrees · 09/08/2018 18:26

Thanks.

Vickyyyy · 09/08/2018 18:39

SturdyEarmuffs

From that link thats a bit gaslighty about the proposed changes..

But, with the misinformed debate in relation to women’s services gaining traction, the real danger is that the momentum for embedding and advancing trans rights will be lost.

The danger is that women have woken up to the threat to their rights, before this was steamrollered through parliament and womens rights were lost forever. Oh how much that must annoy TRAs. So much so that they have to constantly argue that there is no clash at all between 'trans rights' (meaning, what TRAs want, not human rights) and womens rights. Even though even a donkey could see that giving males female rights makes female rights useless.

WhatTheWatersShowedMe · 09/08/2018 20:13

@womensvoicesmatter Yeah it definitely made me wonder when I heard she’d been assaulted.

SturdyEarmuffs · 10/08/2018 04:09

Rose of Dawn on twitter confirmed:

"Private Eye has now commented on the Jess Bradley scandal."

It's a PS added at the end of a piece on the CR case.

JoanSummers · 10/08/2018 09:26

What do Private Eye say?

TheVastMajority · 10/08/2018 09:37

i think the gist of it was that editors were scared of printing details because of the Cliff ruling - its easier to pursue right to privacy ruling than libel and damage to reputation. but goes on to say JB's statement made things worse, because JB admitted what had been done.

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