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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Jess Bradley, suspended - Part II

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LaSquirrel · 30/07/2018 14:00

I thought I would kick off a part II
Part I is here
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3320513-Jess-Bradley-first-transgender-student-officer-suspended-after-flashing-photos

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VickyEadie · 30/07/2018 16:57

I am a woman. Only a woman experiences, biologically, the above, or variants of the above.

When my uterus went up in smoke, my femaleness did not. I am, and remain, a biological woman.

Correct. I suffered decades of severe, debilitating dysmenorrhoea. I'm now past menopause. My body is female, still.

DonkeySkin · 30/07/2018 17:02

To my mind it's just akin to men who send dick pics. Women universally dislike them; they're inappropriate and not arousing and yet men everywhere send them. They simply don't stop and take the time to understand that female sexuality is different.

IMO this is an overly charitable view of the motivations of men who send unsolicited dick pics (or expose themselves in public). I would say that the reason they engage in this behaviour is because they DO know that women don't like it and it makes us uncomfortable. That's precisely the thrill of doing it.

R0wantrees · 30/07/2018 17:03

Floisme
No need to apologise!

There was an active Twitter TRA in the WEP, I can't remember her name but do remember she was very vocal in complaining about Heather Brunskill Evans and I think referred to WPUK meetings as being akin to Nazis/ KKK??

DonkeySkin · 30/07/2018 17:04

Yes, linerunner, bravo Star

sociopathsunited · 30/07/2018 17:04

Slightly off topic, apologies, but I've never understood the whole "show the world my cock" thing that men do. What on earth is the point of it? I understand the whole "let me get a kick out of intimidating this woman" element of flashing and wanking in public. They're certainly not trying to be sexually appealing....at least I hope they're not, cos that would be saaaaaaaaaaaad, to say the least. It's clearly an attempt to intimidate, instill fear and disgust and make other people uncomfortable.

But the dick pics......what on earth drives a person to send a total stranger a photo of their cocktail sausage? Usually within moments of an introduction. Are we supposed to gasp in desire and melt into their arms in a swoon at the deliciousness presented to us? I don't understand. Does anyone understand?

Vickyyyy · 30/07/2018 17:05

You know, something thats really been bugging me since the news that the hugely expensive Carter Ruck was representing this person. Is how one day Justine was all for free speech. The next minute, HQ was updating their guidelines (and applying them overly harsh also...in many cases).

Maybe nothing in it, I am not the most legal of minds and have no idea if such a law firm could affect the forum guidelines in such a way, possibly paranoid thinking borne out of being compelled to lie really..but yeah. Its been bugging me for a while what could have changed Justines stance quite so much. Maybe this is the joining of the dots.

sociopathsunited · 30/07/2018 17:06

Forget it - I see Donkeyskin has answered this before I posted my question.

VickyEadie · 30/07/2018 17:08

Vickyyyy

I remain convinced - and call me paranoid and foil helmety if you will - that there is serious power and money behind the wholesale movement to removing women's safe spaces and opening us and our children up to the men who want to get at us.

sociopathsunited · 30/07/2018 17:16

VickyEadie nope, I don't think you're paranoid. It wouldn't surprise me if some of these previous safe places had cameras installed too, just to collect the footage. I'm sceptical that way. I expect this new "realistic" type of nasty violence and porn will find its clientele very easily......

ErrolTheDragon · 30/07/2018 17:20

To my mind it's just akin to men who send dick pics.(Then what Donkeyskin said seems closer to the mark). I don't believe JB considered they were doing anything women didn't do.

There's a very simple explanation for that, isn't there?

placemats · 30/07/2018 17:21

You go away for a long weekend (the rain didn't stop the party), and return to all hell's broken loose.

So Jess, there's no such thing as a real woman, Bradley has been getting their dick out at work?

The actual fuck?

How the bally hell

can he afford Carter Ruck?

see what I did there?

AngryAttackKittens · 30/07/2018 17:22

Indeed. Why would neither Jess's lady soul nor Jess's ladybrain have clued Jess in to the fact that strangers might not be terribly enthusiastic about seeing Jess's penis?

AncientLights · 30/07/2018 17:23

Genderskeptic tells us that JB should be subject to restorative justice by survivors of JB's abuses. Can Genderskeptic tell us who those survivors are? JB says that nothing sexual occurred without the other party's consent, if I recall correctly. And interesting that Gender chooses to use the word 'survivor' - what did they survive? Merely glimpsing JB's dick-based antics it would seem, but when women say we're made uncomfortable or threatened by the unwanted sight of a penis, we're not survivors - we're told to get over it. Curious.

TimeLady · 30/07/2018 17:29

Janice Turner is clearly outraged

twitter.com/VictoriaPeckham/status/1023503246281900035

TransplantsArePlants · 30/07/2018 17:34

TimeLady

My favourite quote from that thread: "seems like a pretty open and shut case of Stunning and Brave"

R0wantrees · 30/07/2018 17:42

Janice Turner is clearly outraged

Extracts from Janice Turner's interview with Maria Miller last year:

"When Ms Miller, 53, released her report in January last year she was surprised that criticism came not from conservatives but, as she put it, “women who purport to be feminists”. This may be because feminists, well versed in sexual politics and long-time supporters of gay rights, are among the few people who can penetrate the arcane, confusing terminology.

Many see potential loopholes and conflicts of rights that put women at risk, giving men access to rare female-only spaces such as single-sex wards, changing rooms and domestic violence refuges, designed to keep them safe and private. It is these concerns I put to Ms Miller in her Basingstoke constituency.

Take this scenario: a man enters a female communal changing area, removes his clothes while women get undressed. Now they have a right to ask him to leave. Under gender self-definition, if he said “I identify as a woman” he would be entitled to stay. This, I stress, is unlikely to be a trans woman — many who use women’s changing rooms every day with discretion and no fuss — but could be a sexual predator exploiting the loophole. (There have been a growing number of cases in the US, including a man in Seattle using women’s pool facilities claiming “the law has changed, I have a right to be here”.) Does Ms Miller not see why women fear a conflict of rights?

“But 50 years ago, maybe ten years ago, people felt very uncomfortable about gay people showing their relationships in public but life has moved on.” This isn’t a question of feelings, however, but of physical safety and privacy which, as the author of another report on sexual abuse, she surely understands?" (continues)

"Furthermore, if the law changes, “gender identity” is likely to become a protected characteristic under equalities legislation: ie if you deny a person is a woman or a man when they claim to be, you are guilty of discrimination or hate crime.

When Ms Miller, 53, released her report in January last year she was surprised that criticism came not from conservatives but, as she put it, “women who purport to be feminists”. This may be because feminists, well versed in sexual politics and long-time supporters of gay rights, are among the few people who can penetrate the arcane, confusing terminology.

Many see potential loopholes and conflicts of rights that put women at risk, giving men access to rare female-only spaces such as single-sex wards, changing rooms and domestic violence refuges, designed to keep them safe and private. It is these concerns I put to Ms Miller in her Basingstoke constituency.

Take this scenario: a man enters a female communal changing area, removes his clothes while women get undressed. Now they have a right to ask him to leave. Under gender self-definition, if he said “I identify as a woman” he would be entitled to stay. This, I stress, is unlikely to be a trans woman — many who use women’s changing rooms every day with discretion and no fuss — but could be a sexual predator exploiting the loophole. (There have been a growing number of cases in the US, including a man in Seattle using women’s pool facilities claiming “the law has changed, I have a right to be here”.) Does Ms Miller not see why women fear a conflict of rights?" (continues)

"What does she say to those who believe the government’s sudden announcement of trans reform is to counter bad publicity garnered by allying with the anti-gay marriage DUP or to win young votes. “Absolutely ludicrous!” she cries.

She says that her experience as a woman and a mother who has faced discrimination and sexism has made her receptive to the rights of minority groups such as trans people and their families. She puts the concerns of feminists about material changes to their rights and safety into the same category as religious objections, like those of the Christian bakers who refused to make a cake for a gay couple. “There are always jagged edges to the law which create tensions, and we are going into new territory here.”

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/2993425-Maria-Miller-interviewed-by-Janice-Turner-full-text

Jess Bradley, suspended - Part II
Pratchet · 30/07/2018 17:45

A pp mentioned about transactivists seeking to normalise and excuse. This is also an upsetting example.

Jess Bradley, suspended - Part II
VickyEadie · 30/07/2018 17:49

"If she has an exhibitionism fetish...etc"

There we have it - no problem with ladypenises, nothing to see here.

BettyDuMonde · 30/07/2018 17:54

Oh, Mx Hubris!

anyone getting their wang out in the workplace should be suspended pending inquiry, whether the motivation is fetish, ‘identity’, illness or accident. Surely you realise that?

Pratchet · 30/07/2018 17:57

I think hubris is female but identifies otherwise. It's all quite confusing.

Popchyk · 30/07/2018 17:57

There is a Jess Bradley who was a director of NUS STUDENTS' UNION CHARITABLE SERVICES from September 2017 until November 2017. So only a director for less than 3 months.

But the date of birth gives 1995, not 1988.

However, their occupation is NUS Officer. Address is the NUS address in South Manchester. And there are other prominent students listed as directors on there who are associated with our Jess Bradley. I think the balance of probabilities is that it is the Jess Bradley and perhaps the anomaly of date of birth was why they were a director for such a short period of time.

Of course the other directors of that company would be able to say which Jess Bradley it was.

Bradley has since taken up directorship of 3 new companies in which I will, of course, dig around.

As a couple of others have mentioned, I have to say that the Action for Trans Health account at Companies House seem to demonstrate that practically no money comes in or goes out. They've been in business for 4 years and their accounts show practically nothing. They don't seem to be a registered charity.

bd67th · 30/07/2018 18:22

@genderskeptic At the very least she should be excluded from trans and university spaces

What about exclusion from women's spaces? We are the ones with the.most to fear from a bepenised sexually-entitled flasher.

R0wantrees · 30/07/2018 18:25

However, their occupation is NUS Officer. Address is the NUS address in South Manchester

South Manchester again?

Bingpot · 30/07/2018 18:38

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Hygge · 30/07/2018 18:39

I was just quietly stabbing a hot dog sausage (perhaps that was the connection) and this random thought popped into my head that it's ironic someone with a blog about being an exhibitionist is now hiding behind a privacy case so people don't find out about the dick pics.

I'm an exhibitionist...please don't tell anybody!