Jess Bradley, suspended - Part II

[LaSquirrel]

I thought I would kick off a part II
Part I is here
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3320513-Jess-Bradley-first-transgender-student-officer-suspended-after-flashing-photos

Perhaps Emma’s mates are moderating this evening...

Materialist I'd recommend querying in the morning. The mods will occasionally disagree on what should be deleted so a second opinion would be a good idea.

In fact I think all deletions should have a second opinion for appeals. It would help the mods be consistent if they know what others think is or isn't acceptable and would, I hope, make them feel less alone and targeted. It would also be.positice for posters as they would feel heard and less like it's an inconsistent personality clash. How about it @MNHQ ?

Why in the world would anyone report Materialist Wed 01-Aug-18 22:53:14

April 2018 Catherine Bennett wrote an article in the Observer following the murders in Canada which may be of interest:

'Violent misogyny is unfortunately not confined to the internet’s ‘incels’Killers are rare; more commonplace are terrible fantasies of abuse against women:'

concludes (extract)
To agree to use the lads’ pet terminology, is, moreover, to suggest that something distinguishes them from legions of other threatening men expressing a similar wish to control, punish or just silence women and, critically, in similar language. Such as, to non-compliant sexual targets, “choke on my dick”. A glance at Twitter confirms how generously such abuse has been accommodated, even as the repetitive insults and threats indicate gendered hostility to women in general.

If sexism does not explain how rapidly the language employed against dissenting women (including some trans women) in the UK self-ID debate, degenerated, in some quarters, into generic-sounding obscenities (eg, to unco-operative lesbians, “choke on my ladydick”), perhaps it’s because social media has for so long facilitated the delusion that hate speech, as applied to women, is simply part of the landscape.

The very odiousness of the misogynist language that has become, according (pre-Rodger) to one academic, Emma Alice Jane, “a lingua franca in many sectors of the cybersphere”, may help explain, she argues, why the “ethical and material implications” of this form of hate speech have been so under-studied. Hate speech that persists unchallenged, by both – for their different reasons – reactionaries and progressives, is unlikely, anyway, to be corrected.

Maybe women should skim the Elliot Rodger plan for subjugating their sex, if only to appreciate that, once non-subservient women are expected to live with obscene online threats – and axe exhibitions and punching – at least some elements of his vision have surely been realised."
www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/apr/29/violent-misogyny-not-confined-to-internet-incels

That's a great article by Catherine Bennett.

I can see why someone like JB would be campaigning for the end of medicalised ‘gatekeeping’ - JB is likely exactly the sort of person who gets weeded out quicksmart by the experienced doctors working on the gender reassignment pathway. Red flags waving all over the place.

Also, JB probably doesn't actually want to have any sort of treatment / surgery before becoming legally a woman (whatever JB thinks that is)

Is it possible that some predators would actually get a kick out of anonymously power tripping teenage girls (and boys, but mostly girls) into self mutilation?

And

I'm really hoping it's not. I think it's more that TRAs need children to be trans to prove that it's innate, and not some sort of sexual fetish.

Couldn't those be very similar things?

I'm definitely getting creepy grooming cult vibes the more this pans out.

Timelady I peaktransed a very good friend of mine this morning whom I haven't seen for a few months. I told her about lesbians and cotton ceinling, the GRA reforms, ladydicks, the treatment of genuine transexuals and ROGD. She had heard of none of this but immediately peaktransed. When I said middle aged trans keep their dicks but seem to be campaigning for hormones and surgery for youngsters she commented on the potential for grooming without any help from me.

Of course JB doesn't want to lose her dick as there would be less photo ops.

JB certainly isn’t your average well-passing, straight acting (formerly super feminine gay man) HSTS, nor are they the typical once hyper masculine, late transitioning, overly sexy attired AGP (the male-bodied lesbian/pseudo-bisexual* type
*
YY Betty. You do come across this "third type" of aggressive young heterosexual or sometimes gay MTFs a lot on Twitter. And bisexual/"pansexual". I don't know if JB is gay or bi.

answer to your "third type" question is in the final paragraph of your post. Blanchard was probably dealing with a much narrower umbrella and the broadening has brought in loads of narcissistic types ready to use whichever tool is available to control others. In this case this just happens to be "gender transition".

This is my feeling, having interacted with many of these people on social media.

Reading about Jess Bradley and Karen Jones has caused me to do a complete 180 on self-id.

Up until now, I was in favour of self-ID and dismayed at the disagreement between transactivists and feminists about the issue. I don't feel that I can maintain that position any longer. I remain terribly conflicted about the issue. There is someone in our circle who has transitioned recently and who I adore and without hesitation would want to invite into women-only spaces.

However, I have read too many stories now about 'women' with penises posing a threat to women and children to accept that as the default. As usual, instead of focusing on changing male behaviour and making male-spaces safe for transwomen, it is women who are being forced to pay the price of male violence.

I am incensed that the likes of Jones and Bradley have been invited to speak to the Lords on this issue, whereas no women's organisations opposing gender ID have - wherever you stand on the issue that is a disgrace and both sides of the debate should be heard.

Well, I think we can reasonably say that someone with an entire blog about flashing - whether that person be Jess Bradley or not - is unlikely to be dysphoric. And therefore would have a vested interest in a legislative environment that did not require a dysphoria diagnosis in order to change "gender" and access spaces of safety for women.

Well, I think we can reasonably say that someone with an entire blog about flashing - whether that person be Jess Bradley or not - is unlikely to be dysphoric. And therefore would have a vested interest in a legislative environment that did not require a dysphoria diagnosis in order to change "gender" and access spaces of safety for women.

Absolutely. And it does cast doubt on others so vocally opposed to women's concerns on the dismantling of safeguarding for women and children.

Who benefits?

Is it possible that some predators would actually get a kick out of anonymously power tripping teenage girls (and boys, but mostly girls) into self mutilation?

I'm really hoping it's not. I think it's more that TRAs need children to be trans to prove that it's innate, and not some sort of sexual fetish

It validates everything..

An awful lot are refusing to part with their male genitalia, whilst taking hormones to grow breasts. I find that odd and suspect that the more salubrious characters are fetishising their own bodies.
Basically, they could be getting off on having their very own breasts to play with, along with flashing.
Is that the same as Autogynaphelia?

If this business of I feel like a woman so therefore am a woman were to have any credence, why go to the bother of growing breasts?
Why not stay exactly how you are?

There are so many contradictions.

Reading about Jess Bradley and Karen Jones has caused me to do a complete 180 on self-id.

Up until now

Well, good job nobody on here ever bothered pointing it out until now eh?

Scottish Sun article,
'Bearded Aberdeen paedophile jailed for downloading vile baby sex pics starts secret life as woman after transitioning in Scots jail
An outraged mum whose son was murdered by a paedo has demanded a legal change over Christyl Knight’s new life as a woman'
(extract)
Claude Knights said: “Allowing these individuals to hide a secret past is a dangerous practice.”
“Anyone who’s fuelled the vile trade in indecent images of children and therefore contributed to their sexual abuse should not be allowed to change their name.”

Claude Knight has recently retired after 15 years as head of Kidscape: www.kidscape.org.uk/news/2016/may/ceo-claude-knights-announces-her-retirement

current thread discussing article:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3324391-Paedophile-expert-warns-of-transitioning-as-a-ploy

See also Francis Crook's comment re female prison estate:
Mail on Sunday article:
'As more trans women who were convicted as men hope to follow rapist Martin Ponting into female wings, prison governors fear vulnerable inmates could be attacked'

(extract)
'Prison reformer Frances Crook said that she was worried that ‘some men with a history of extreme violence and sexual violence against women have found a new way of exercising aggression towards women’.
Ms Crook, executive director of the Howard League for Penal Reform, added: ‘These men are not transitioning because they like women and want to be a woman, but in order to exert a new kind of control and dominance over women, a sort of infiltration.

‘Moreover, the process is inherently discriminatory. A woman identifying as a man could not be transferred to a man’s jail because placing a person with female attributes into a prison to live with 1,000 men, all using communal showers and living areas, would put them in serious danger.’ (continues)

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5798945/Trans-women-convicted-men-attack-vulnerable-inmates.html

I think that's a bit harsh @Agastache

There are still a lot of people out there who are bought into the mantra of the trans community being victimised.

The issue is they don't fully understand what the trans umbrella encapsulates.

I can totally understand people having empathy for people suffering from genuine gender dysphoria (I do myself) and transposing that sentiment to Stonewalls definition of what being trans "can" be.

The JB situation will be a wake up call for some people. That someone so vocal and prominent in the TRA movement has been accused of behaviours that are so specific to male sexual predators is indefensible - hence the radio silence from so many pro trans organisations/high profile campaigners.

There's no hiding from this. JB can use whatever pronouns JB likes - but as they say a picture (or rather many photos) can say a thousand words, and the picture painted here of a person relentlessly campaigning for self ID and trans prisoners rights is suddenly put into a wholly different context.

Yes this concept isn't new to FWR - but seeing someone whose advised the Govt on trans policy quite literally "reveal" themselves, will I'm sure, lead to many people re-assessing their position - and frankly I couldn't be happier.

Agastache - I have joined mumsnet today having found this thread.

Mrnohips - the internet is awash with photos and cartoons of men with huge breasts and erect penises. It has convinced me that for a lot of transwomen, identifying as trans has a lot to do with fetish and very little to do with dysphoria.

I did find the silence from Pink News etc shocking. Now I find it chilling

I agree this could be a real turning point and particularly in terms of submitting a response to the government's GRA consultation

Jess Bradley, who was a major contributor in the original Maria Miller enquiry, being discredited in this way gives us grounds for saying that removing the diagnosis element would be a mistake.

H'mm, I wonder if that's a contributing factor to the Carter Ruck involvement; interested parties coughing up funds to stop the consultation being derailed by negative publicity?