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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Jess Bradley, suspended - Part II

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LaSquirrel · 30/07/2018 14:00

I thought I would kick off a part II
Part I is here
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3320513-Jess-Bradley-first-transgender-student-officer-suspended-after-flashing-photos

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Popchyk · 31/07/2018 18:02

The lawyers on the Press Gazette thing upthread:

“Regarding the case [reported in the Mail]: we believe that confidential internal investigations, like police investigations, are private unless there is a very substantial reason why they should not be – not least because it is the investigation that is best-placed to determine the truth or falsity of allegations made, and matters should not be pre-judged in the court of public opinion."

So Carter-Ruck are claiming that any investigation (not even just police investigations) should be subject to the Cliff ruling.

Clearly The Mail on Sunday thought otherwise.

Thankfully.

LangCleg · 31/07/2018 18:02

There is no spinning what the public sees as a member of the dirty mac brigade and the story is now out so - if of course, the allegations are true - continuing to go for privacy will make it worse, not better. Because the only thing Joe Public dislikes more than a member of the dirty mac brigade, it's the great and the good concealing information about a member of the dirty mac brigade.

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ErrolTheDragon · 31/07/2018 18:31

Silence might mean 'shit, don't say anything till our lawyers can work out what the heck we can say', I suppose?

Moanslice · 31/07/2018 18:33

Hold on a minute....is this not being investigated by POLICE?? I have only just realised that the article only talks about NUS investigation

JessBradleysInvisibleCock · 31/07/2018 18:43

Do you think we are invisible now Adrian?

Do please screenshot and let me on Twitter

Popchyk · 31/07/2018 18:44

We don't know whether the police are involved Moan.

The wording from the lawyers "we believe that confidential internal investigations, like police investigations..." makes it sound like they might not be. And the lawyers are saying the Cliff ruling applies to other investigations, not just police investigations. Mail on Sunday thought otherwise of course and published anyway.

It is possible that the NUS could contact police if they feel that Jess Bradley's alleged actions warrant police investigation. Or a member of the public could contact the police about Jess Bradley's alleged actions.

Moanslice · 31/07/2018 18:49

So then, we need to report him to the police if no other fucker is going to!

VaggieMight · 31/07/2018 18:51

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Sarahconnor1 · 31/07/2018 19:02

VaggieMight

Article today on Aid Agencies not sure if its already been posted.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45013078

The committee said in their report: "Having understood the length of time that the sector has been aware of these issues, we reflect with confusion on the apparent shock of those we spoke to in the immediate aftermath of the Times report. This has been a known problem in the international aid sector for years."

trumpetoftheswan · 31/07/2018 19:05

Jess's statement used the phrase 'not unlawful' which suggests that the police are involved or at the very least he knows that they should/will be.

I would imagine that the whistle blower would have informed the police, not least so that the NUS couldn't cover it all up.

VickyEadie · 31/07/2018 19:07

SarahAr

Patrick Califia?

In your quest to 'prove' that transwomen are all excellent, harmless people (narrator: they couldn't possibly ALL be excellent, harmless people), you're clutching at the kinds of straws that Mumsnetters who frequent this forum seem (to me) to be able to knock out of the park and into the atmosphere.

No-one is saying that women - including transmen - cannot and do not have sexual predilections (in PC's case, write erotic stuff and publish it); JB and everyone else is free to hold whatever legal perversions they want to, as long as (a) they don't inflict them on others who don't ask for such infiction, (b) they don't claim that they and their similarly pervy mates are 'not threat' to women in safe spaces and (c) they don't make such claims whilst presuming to assure naive government ministers that no person with a penis would ever do anything wrong with it if that person says they're trans.

What we are saying is that we don't want knobs and their owners in our erstwhile safe spaces, because they cannot be fucking trusted not to harahss and/or harm us.

TimeLady · 31/07/2018 19:08

I would put money on a whole load of journalists biding their time, sharpening their pencils..... What can Carter Ruck so? The story is already out on the net.

Melamin · 31/07/2018 19:12

The whistleblower Tweets state some organisations failed to respond to claims of abuse and that's why they went public. This is a worry - is there more going on with other organisations? Apart from Mesmac.

Patrick Califa doesn't seem to be a flasher or anything like that - writes published erotic fiction which must not be to SarahAr's taste.

Bouledeneige · 31/07/2018 19:31

I think there's a risk as adults that we underplay the impact of 'pervy guys getting their dicks out in public'. As a girl, both pre-teen and teen I was very disturbed by the number of times I was (literally) exposed to it, just as I was branching out independently - on Hampstead Heath, my local park, on my own in a subway, in the National Gallery, the tube and Paris metro. I became very fearful of men and worried about rape.

I would cope differently now of course but am no longer targeted as I'm no longer young and vulnerable. I had to be reassured by my sister that 'flashers' are not rapists - though I'm not sure the science is as certain as that. Terms like exhibitionism diminish the impact - it is threatening and makes girls feel unsafe and at risk.

The naivety of Jess B and others to imagine their 'thing', their jokey fetish is acceptable shows how little they understand what it is to grow up a young woman. I applaud anyone who stands up to it. It impinges on women's freedom to travel safely and confidently through our streets and society. It's not a narcissistic right - it's a threat.

YetAnotherSpartacus · 31/07/2018 19:36

Oh Lordy, lord, lord. Patricia is now Patrick? I remember the trouble Patricia caused with handmaiden tactics in the 80s.

VickyEadie · 31/07/2018 19:37

The naivety of Jess B and others to imagine their 'thing', their jokey fetish is acceptable shows how little they understand what it is to grow up a young woman. I applaud anyone who stands up to it. It impinges on women's freedom to travel safely and confidently through our streets and society. It's not a narcissistic right - it's a threat.

THIS.

Floisme · 31/07/2018 19:40

I've lost count of the number of men I've come across who, I'm fairly sure, would never dream of flashing themselves but who still think it's a bit of a joke. Even decent men have absolutely no idea.

placemats · 31/07/2018 19:43

The misogyny involved to believe you are a woman whilst getting your penis out on show at work or on public transport, as either a dare or as exhibitionism, says clearly to me that this isn't the actions of a woman.

That's the premise of this.

VaggieMight · 31/07/2018 19:52

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StepBackNow · 31/07/2018 19:53

I really think it's time this was spread all over the rest of the media. People need to know what Jess is.

ReappearingWoman · 31/07/2018 19:57

I'm feeling pretty angry about the positions of power this person achieved when it was so obvious that their claim to be a 'non-binary woman' was utter crap and no one could say it without being called a bigot.

Agree with this 100%.

Hangingaroundtheportal · 31/07/2018 20:03

I really think it's time this was spread all over the rest of the media. People need to know what Jess is.

The thing is, in the real world outside of Twitter, people don't buy that Jess or any other transwoman are actually women. And that's before any sort of deviant sexual behaviour comes into it.

There is a clip on twitter from Sky News from a few weeks ago where Jess was being interviewed. Pretty much all the comments were along the lines of 'that's not a woman'. Many of them were what I would deem to be transphobic. None of those people would think that Jess should be in women's spaces, even before all this came out about Jess.

It's why the misogyny of this movement, going after Mumsnet so aggressively when there are so many people out there who are a lot more 'transphobic' than anyone on here, is so obvious.