Jess Bradley, first transgender student officer, suspended after flashing photos

[CaitlynsCat]

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6003331/Britains-official-transgender-student-officer-suspended.html

"Shocking images on the site show an individual flashing while sitting in a train carriage, in a public park and at a bus stop.

Another photograph shows male genitals being exposed in an office close to a curved wooden desk that is strikingly similar to a picture of a work desk that Ms Bradley posted on her Facebook page. "

The photo have been archived on archive.is, you can search there under the domain exhbitionizm.tumblr.com and include lots of flashing shots.

Bradley has commented:

" I appreciate at this time there is a lot of speculation about my conduct and I am able to tell you that I am confident that none of my behaviour has been unlawful, and that I have not engaged in sexual activity with anyone, or in the view of anyone, without their consent. "

Oh, the "it's only fantasies" argument. That old chestnut.

The one real-life sex offender I know (knew), used that as a defence in court. TWICE - for 2 separate sex crime charges. He was convicted of both - because, you know, it turned out, it wasn't just fantasies. He went on to offend irl too.

He's now serving a prison sentence.

Jess Bradley is also an influential NUS officer.

Jess is somewhat older than the majority of the students they are surrounded by.

Students who have questioned / are questioning their gender identity and/or sexuality can be vulnerable.

There may well be some serious questions to ask of the NUS.

Also rape is a crime committed with a penis so anyone daft enough to argue otherwise really deserves what they get on here. I can appriciate that this is the best story ever on here but it is one person so please do not judge all trans people by the actions of one person as I'm. sure you would not like to be judged for the actions of others. also if your wanting a point to stand on here maybe don't misgender people as the rules state. I'm sure you can still make valid points without it.

I typically don't misgender on here and haven't on this story. I have a few issues with your post:

1. Nobody has judged ALL trans based on one person however this one person is a representative of trans people and has been VERY vocal about access to women's spaces and numerous other dubious 'demands' within Action for Trans Health as well as advocating violence towards women. This person has made themselves into a person who stands for trans people and their fetishes are clearly at odds with protection of women. So while NATALT clearly at least one with influence is - and that one person is enough thanks.
2. They are not the only example of this within this community (see Heather Peto, StefonKnee, Andy Dier et al.) we are not the people making these things up - they are out there on the internet to see. So while it is OBVIOUSLY not all trans people (just like, as I said above it isn't ALL men - God knows we are used to NAMALTing on here) clearly it is somewhat of an issue within the community -and those who dismiss the idea of autogynophilia like to pretend that this type of thing NEVER happens - clearly it does.
3. You know what? This isn't the best story EVER on here, this is a story of someone who is campaigning to erode women's rights to sex segregated spaces, a right which was brought into existence because (some) men abuse women and will go to great lengths to satisfy their sexual kinks - something the powers-that-be seem to have conveniently forgotten. So, while this thread/story may have an air of schadenfreude we have not forgotten what this person has been campaigning for and nor have we forgotten that he isn't the only one. This isn't the BEST STORY EVA' because it still means women and children are at risk from the loopholes in safeguarding people like Jess are demanding and we still know there are people who will abuse those loopholes this just adds a little more proof (which most likely will be played down) and let me tell you pal, nobody is cheering about that.

It wasn't a fantasy. It was actual pictures of an actual cock on display in public spaces. The confident assertion that "nobody saw it" is entirely unprovable, and really not the point.

Is a flasher acceptable in any way if he wanks off in a public area and no one is about?

ROwantrees:

*Jess Bradley is also an influential NUS officer.

Jess is somewhat older than the majority of the students they are surrounded by.

Students who have questioned / are questioning their gender identity and/or sexuality can be vulnerable.

There may well be some serious questions to ask of the NUS.*

Yes, Exactly this. Bradley has been given a position of trust working with mainly young, and potentially vulnerable, people. At the very least, if he has decided to publish a blog showing cocks, whoever they belong to, and depicting rape, he's shown a lack of understanding of his responsibilities.

If a tree falls in the woods and no one is there, does it make a sound?

Zen koan, flashing version... hmmm...

There’s no way of proving no one saw the penis. The potential for penis seeing was there. Because allegedly the penis was out in public.

but it is one person so please do not judge all trans people by the actions of one person

And again, the hard of hearing. This is not about trans people. It's not about judging all trans people. It's about judging ALL perverts.

Women really don't give a fuck if a pervert is trans, straight, gay, non-binary, or a cock womble.

And neither does the proposed legislation.

That's kind of the point.

Bespin

Firstly, I admire your guts in debating these issues here.

I suspect the truth is that an end to medical gatekeeping is like soft Brexit: there just isn't a stop between in and out where we can all get off the bus together. A change is therefore going to have to be on a new route (gee I wish I hadn't gone with the bus metaphor now) ... a third space or something like that.

Everyone splitting hairs about the definition of rape is disgusting.

A woman who forcibly penetrates someone with an object or finger is guilty of sexual assault, and morally there's no difference between that and rape.

You were all gleefully calling it rape when a trans man got convicted of penetrating a partner with a dildo without telling them it wasn't a flesh-and-blood penis, which seems like a double standard! If that's rape then you can't say rape requires a penis.

Also, for heavens sake, Jess Bradley has committed INDECENT EXPOSURE, not rape, and there's absolutely no argument that women are incapable of indecent exposure. That doesn't make it less vile, it just means you can't argue she isn't a woman on the basis of her crimes.

Indeed, if anyone started touching themelf sexually in a communal changing space that would be as much a crime whatever the genitals involved.

The "no true scotswoman" fallacy that you're all pulling out would require the trans community to be claiming that Jess isn't one of them. Nobody seems to be doing that—indeed the original whistle-blower account genders her correctly but identifies the harm she is doing to the trans community from the position of power she has within it.

The 'fantasies' argument is pure minimisation. It's normalising these ideas and these behaviours, and sharing images, even drawings, is an offence and rightly so.

Self-exposure is a paraphilia, and it is done overwhelmingly by men in order to scare women and children. I can't think there is a woman alive who has not been flashed at, often with added masturbation. It is scary - sometimes we mock it and laugh at it, but we do recognise the potential threat. Some men get off at being laughed at, too - scared by them, or mocking them, we are either way unwilling participants in their sexual act.

This is why Jess Bradley's denial is so weak. The denial tells us nothing was done without consent - the implication being there was no one there at the time, or whoever was there (the photographer?) was consenting. The exhibitionist act was because it was a public place, someone could well have seen it happening, and the fantasy is that someone could be frightened by seeing it.

Yuk and ugh.

these people that are influenceal are not put there by us they just assume these positions and then people listen to them.

That's the point.
People found Jess convincing and accepted everything that Jess said, on trans rights and trans needs and the absence of threat from changing laws.

Then it turned out that this very convincing person was not what they seemed so it's just faintly possible that other persons, with male bodies, could be similarly problematic.

I can argue that someone who gets their penis out in public and enjoys the risky possibility that others may see it is not a woman, yes, I really can. I'd be willing to bet that a very few people would have an issue with that statement.

You're not really sceptical about gender are you? More like gender evangelist.

Knickknack I have quoted you on Twitter, hope you don't mind.

TRANS ACTIVISTS BLOCK MANCHESTER'S PRIDE PARADE
2016-08-28

"Yesterday thousands lined the streets for Manchester Pride. However a large number of trans activists used the event to protest over the treatment of transgender prisoners. According to the Manchester Evening News, the group used their banners and bodies to stop the Greater Manchester Police float from participating in the parade and it was several minutes before the parade was able to continue. The group was led by trans campaign group Direct Action for Trans Health as well as No Prisons Manchester and the IWW Incarcerated Workers Committee . A statement released by Direct Action argued that trans prisoners that are sentenced to jail are sent to the prisons of the wrong gender. They referenced the cases of Tara Hudson, Vicky Thompson and Joanne Latham who were female prisoners sent to male prisons. "Trans people within the prison population are often housed within prison facilities of the wrong gender. Recently we have seen the cases of Tara Hudson, Vicky Thompson and Joanne Latham, trans women incarcerated within male prisons, in the news." "We believe that police officers, regardless of their own sexuality or gender identity, are complicit in the prison system's degradation of human lives and the oppression of LGBTQ people." Jess Bradley, one of the participants in the protest, said: "We have taken action in solidarity with trans and queer prisoners and against the building of a new US-style prison in Manchester." (continues)
attitude.co.uk/article/trans-activists-block-manchesters-pride-parade/11931/

it just means you can't argue she isn't a woman on the basis of her crimes

I don't argue Bradley is not a woman on the basis of Bradley's crimes. I don't need to. Bradley is male therefore not a woman, and has been caught doing things much more associated with males than females. Hold the front page.

article on transactivism funding - very good

it just means you can't argue she isn't a woman on the basis of her crimes.

One could argue Jess Bradley's not a woman on the basis of having a penis, and allegedly flashing said penis in the workplace.

Unfortunately for your argument, genderskeptic sexual offences are overwhelmingly carried out by the penis-owners of this world (to the tune of 98%) which is kind of why I would prefer women's facilities to be free of penises, regardless of how said penis-owner identifies.

Women and children's safeguarding is paramount here - and should not be overruled in any way, by someone's gender identity.

I'm guessing this is going to be reported but oh well!

So, Bespin says they were married at the time of their transition, and that they ran into some roadblocks. Those roadblocks were there for a reason - allowing straight males into women's spaces is in many ways a different proposition to allowing gay males into those same spaces, see Blanchard's two types theory for more details. One of the aims of the old gatekeeping system was to filter out people with AGP - for multiple reasons, one of which was the potential danger they present to women and girls. Bespin wants the current medical gatekeeping system replaced with something less medical that's quicker to work one's way through. TRAs also want the old gatekeeping system removed. Old school transsexuals who were homosexual (ie the people the system was actually designed for) seem to be more or less OK with the gatekeeping they experienced, and to have made it through the system and on to reasonably stable lives. Most of the transwomen who we see on here who exhibit empathy for women and want to work with us rather than steamrolling over our objections also seem to have been homosexual men prior to transition, who grew up as gay boys.

I personally think opening transition to straight males with AGP was the biggest mistake made in this whole mess, and that as someone said above it's those straight males who're creating most of the problems and exhibiting most of the worrying behavior. This isn't surprising - the way straight boys are taught to relate to women and girls by society is fairly horrifying. I think most women who're OK with the idea of transwomen in women's spaces are assuming that most of them are exclusively attracted to men.

I think that any time we're talking to a male trans activist whether or not they were attracted to and engaged in relationships with women prior to transition is vital information to have (it's also one of the reasons why the accusations of homophobia are so absurd - most GC women are far more comfortable with trans males who're gay than with the straight ones). I also think that there's very little hope of any sort of workable compromise with the hetero ones, because they can't see things from our perspective and don't want to, because that would require them to modify their behavior and demands.

I don't see any way to allow a system with less gatekeeping that would allow in some hetero males but keep the ones like Bradley out. Even the stricter system has failed to do so, so why would anyone think a "streamlined and user friendly" system would do better? It's likely to do a great deal worse.

(Got rambly there, sorry - would need more coffee to edit.)

Then it turned out that this very convincing person was not what they seemed so it's just faintly possible that other persons, with male bodies, could be similarly problematic.

This is not a new phenomenon.

Woops that link didn't work - here it is on transactivism funding

www.feministcurrent.com/2018/01/03/considering-rapid-rise-trans-ideology-academia-follow-money/

Women really don't give a fuck if a pervert is trans, straight, gay, non-binary, or a cock womble.

Yeah, that. I don't care if you identify as a man, a woman, a unicorn, or a tractor - if you're a flasher or exhibiting other worrying and likely to escalate sexual behaviors then you are a danger to others and need controlling. Allowing people with penises who exhibit those behaviors access to spaces where women are naked and vulnerable is the exact opposite of what should be happening.

If any when we ever reach a point where the vast majority of people exhibiting worrying and predatory sexual behaviors are not of the penis-having variety then maybe the conversation about how to manage those people will center less on penis-havers, but that's not in any way where we are now.

Women and children's safeguarding is paramount here - and should not be overruled in any way, by someone's gender identity.

Recent threads discussing Safeguarding needs:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3301266-Safeguarding-girls-and-protecting-women-post-Jimmy-Saville-metoo

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3308901-Is-transactivism-doing-us-a-favour

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3308540-Misgendering-and-abusive-male-pattern-behaviour

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3318615-Pedophile-Manifesto

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3301871-What-do-educators-make-of-what-is-happening-in-our-schools?

Safeguarding over hurt feelings, every time.

@BirthCanal

Thank god likeacrow has gone to bed filibustering or what?

Sorry if I interrupted your private conversation because I was genuinely interested in finding out more. There I was thinking it was a public forum where questioning debate was welcomed... How dare I.