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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Pedophile Manifesto

114 replies

Jog22 · 26/07/2018 23:06

Very interesting twitter thread on this;
twitter.com/PankhurstEM/status/991258039511670784?s=19

OP posts:
AngryAttackKittens · 28/07/2018 09:47

MAPs (minor attracted persons - pass the vomit bag please).

Hangingaroundtheportal · 28/07/2018 09:50

If you go around spreading lies about a group of people, then you take some responsibility for the negative reaction that brings forth, whether it's verbal or physical.

Ironic when so many TRAs justify their calls for violence against GC women both online (I'm sure you've seen it out there, it's pretty intense) and in real life (Tara Wolf assaulting Maria Maclachlan) with the 'they are asking for it' line.

Are you saying that men can't engage their own brain when it comes to deciding whether or not to physically harm a trans person?

Or is this, once again, about women being responsible for the actions of men? Same old, same old....

Ereshkigal · 28/07/2018 09:52

But I was under the impression that any attempts to 'legitimise' paedophilia are just a hoax/joke?

No. They aren't. Of course male trolls also like to stir it to make SJWs look stupid. But there are people who think paedophilia should be considered a sexual orientation.

NothingOnTellyAgain · 28/07/2018 09:55

Virtuous paedophiles!

That's it.

Apparently refraining from raping a child when you want to is "Virtuous".

Ereshkigal · 28/07/2018 09:55

I forget what they call them.

"Virtuous Pedophiles"

Ereshkigal · 28/07/2018 09:55

X post Smile

NothingOnTellyAgain · 28/07/2018 10:00

And while some may have sexual orientation to children

Most child rapists don't - they do it because they can.

And no sexual orientation allows for abuse/ rape. That is a crime, and a different thing. The only reason it comes up, that papers can print "Virtuous paedophile" with a straight face, is because societies all over the world are characterised by gross levels of male sexual entitlement, and the idea that its normal and expected for men to sometimes "give in" and "take what they want" is widely accepted.

LangCleg · 28/07/2018 10:00

yobbery of a large part of the population

Translation: working class men may consider turning to violence when the country's entire mediating and political class are supporting the dissolving the safeguarding frameworks that protect their children from abuse.

Nice bit of classism there. Mums aren't allowed to protect their kids. Working class dads aren't allowed to protect their kids now either. Lovely.

Nobody is inciting violence here. Nobody is suggesting that they who shall not be named on a thread about paedophile tactics will be the ones doing the abusing.

Women on FWR oppose any political demands that require the dilution of safeguarding, regardless of who is doing the demanding. Women on FWR are worried about both the dilution of safeguarding and the uptick in male violence that may follow if authorities are seen to be untrustworthy with regards to child protection.

Bowlofbabelfish · 28/07/2018 10:04

If you are aware of male violence and deliberately provide them with exactly the one-sided information to bring forth a violent response then you are complicit in their violence.

No.

The person committing the violent act is to blame. Where have we heard this before?

I only hit you because i love you so much
You made me do it
She provoked me

Etc.

And interestingly so many of the commenters on the assault of Maria MacLaclan (a petite 60 year old woman) by Tanis Wolf (6 foot two person) say the same - she provoked it. She was asking for it.

Funny how women are the ones being accused of being hysterical and unable to control their emotions when the vast majority of violent crime is committed by men isn’t it?

Anybody who reacts to words, verbal provocation, or a message board with violence is in the wrong. Full stop.

Knicknackpaddyflak · 28/07/2018 10:28

To lie: to knowingly and intentionally state something other than the truth.

In this case what people are doing is talking about inconvenient truths. Unwanted truths. And there's plenty of evidence of TRA/liberal belief that to state truths, facts and evidence that show transgender ideology in a negative light is in itself an act of 'hate' and is morally wrong. News stories should be suppressed. People shouldn't talk about it. You can seriously fuck off with that.

Suppression of truth and facts to ensure positive propaganda is all that is shared with the public in order to avoid the general public having the full picture, realising what it involves and resisting the political agenda, is morally wrong. It's fascism.

NothingOnTellyAgain · 28/07/2018 10:32

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If ordinary men get concerned about our safety, then the consequences for us are huge. This is when girls and women's families start restricting freedoms. And we are encouraged to restrict our own freedoms, as after all, if there is a risk, should we not "protect ourselves"? Sex segregation allows us to participate in public life by reducing risk, which in turn reassures us and our families. There are still places we try to avoid, where flashers like to lurk, and worse. But still. Take the sex segregation away and what happens is simply that pervy men take over places women used to be. And the women stay away.

With Hampstead I suspect the eventual outcome will be mixed sex (women and girls with chaperone), gay male (as the men's ponds predominantly was) and straight male ( lots of straight men feel uncomfortable with gay men around, especially in a situation where picking up might be going on, but would still like to swim without women around).

NothingOnTellyAgain · 28/07/2018 10:32

Sorry I've gone of topic.

Knicknackpaddyflak · 28/07/2018 10:34

You mention Brexit: I'll assume by your comment on yobbery and large portions of the population you don't approve of that you believe only people who think like you should be allowed to vote?

If our bloody stupid governments of the last fifteen years had listened to, engaged with and tried to do something about the actual concerns of the many working class people who were struggling with immigration instead of just loftily announcing they were bigots who should just be ignored and let more superior people know what was best for them, those people might have been less angry, less disenfranchised, the real issues might have been addressed and we might not be in the God-awful mess we are now in.

Women are raising real issues, real concerns about the impact of this political ideology on them, their lives, their safety, on children's safety, on their civil rights - and they're being loftily told they're subhuman bigots with no right to those opinions who should be ignored.

How do you think that's going to end?

R0wantrees · 28/07/2018 10:35

And interestingly so many of the commenters on the assault of Maria MacLaclan (a petite 60 year old woman) by Tanis Wolf (6 foot two person) say the same - she provoked it. She was asking for it.

April 2018 NewStatesman article:
'The madness of our gender debate, where feminists defend slapping a 60-year-old woman: It seems swivel-eyed to condemn rhetorical “attacks” and blithely ignore physical ones.'

BY HELEN LEWIS
(extract)
"You would have thought that a feminist getting punched in the face would be reasonably large news – particularly if her attacker had boasted online earlier of wanting to “fuck up” some feminists, comparing them to fascists. But the conviction of the person who attacked 60-year-old Maria MacLachlan at Speakers’ Corner last year didn’t trouble the pages of the Guardian, where I would normally expect to hear about something that veers close to being a hate crime, or the LGBT website Pink News. Why? A clue comes in the fact that MacLachlan was slapped by a 26-year-old transgender woman called Tara Wolf, who explained to the court that MacLachlan was a “TERF” – a term commonly used to stand for “trans exclusionary radical feminist”, ie one who doesn’t believe that trans women are “real” women, but which Wolf defined as a “trans exterminatory radical feminist”.

The implication was that MacLachlan, now 61, wants all transgender people dead – something that seems absolutely barking until you realise this is quite a common accusation in activist spaces. The feminist group Sisters Uncut, which has done great work protesting the closure of domestic violence services, somehow looked at the case and decided that Wolf was the real victim. It used a hashtag – #freetheshewolf – and called for a protest outside Hendon Magistrates’ Court, asking for support for a “trans woman targeted… and harassed by TERFs, transmisogynists and cops”, adding: “Attacks on trans lives will not be tolerated.” (Continues)

"The Wolf affair also demonstrates another alarming phenomenon: the left getting high on its own supply of self-righteousness. “Some feminists have a different conception of gender to me” gets smudged into “some feminists talk about me in ways that I find offensive” and on to “some feminists are basically Hitler, trying to eradicate people like me”.

Once you reach the last statement, then of course you can slap a woman and still think of yourself as a good person. She wants to kill you; a mere punch is self-defence. (I’m not exaggerating about the language. The Edinburgh branch of Action for Trans Health tweeted the day after the attack: “Punching TERFs is the same as punching Nazis. Fascism must be smashed with the greatest violence to ensure our collective liberation from it.”) (continues)

www.newstatesman.com/politics/feminism/2018/04/madness-our-gender-debate-where-feminists-defend-slapping-60-year-old

LangCleg · 28/07/2018 10:43

How do you think that's going to end?

Not well.

Ever feel like you're banging your head against a brick wall?

Datun · 28/07/2018 10:47

milly

If you go around spreading lies about a group of people, then you take some responsibility for the negative reaction that brings forth, whether it's verbal or physical

Quite apart from it being victim blaming nonsense, you've just made that whole thing up. What the poster actually said was:

"I have broached various issues raised by the TRA movement.The almost unilateral response was that men abusing this, or perceived to be abusing self id to gain access to their female relatives, will get their heads kicked in."

No lies were spread.

Bowlofbabelfish · 28/07/2018 10:58

Three ponds, all three open to men, and none where women can swim safely.

VickyEadie · 28/07/2018 11:19

MillyTheKid
If you go around spreading lies about a group of people, then you take some responsibility for the negative reaction that brings forth, whether it's verbal or physical.

Which "lies" are you referring to here?

Charliethefeminist · 28/07/2018 11:58

If you are aware of male violence and deliberately provide them with exactly the one-sided information to bring forth a violent response then you are complicit in their violence
A thousand times no.

Datun · 28/07/2018 12:10

"If you are aware of male violence and deliberately provide them with exactly the one-sided information to bring forth a violent response then you are complicit in their violence"

A thousand times no.

It's really, really disturbing that people campaigning for men to have access to women and children, purely on their say so, think this.

Bumbungo · 28/07/2018 12:49

If you are aware of male violence and deliberately provide them with exactly the one-sided information to bring forth a violent response then you are complicit in their violence.

And.... there it is. All of those rules of misogyny combined in one neat sentence.

Knicknackpaddyflak · 28/07/2018 14:13

Yup, nailed it Bum

But then being born with xx chromosomes = lesser beings existing to facilitate and service xy people (who ought to be bashed/raped/killed/deprived of a voice for failing to do it properly or sufficiently enthusiastically) is the root of transgender ideology.

lisamuggeridge · 28/07/2018 15:04

A movement where the demands are- women'sperception must be subordinated, women must not allowed to be identify dissonance between behaviour and identity, children must be taught to doubt material reality, children must be taught that their gender identity is an internal thing, their sex is not and to defer to adults with no connection to them on this and their fmilies are to be deemed abusive if they object, discussing safeguarding systems is hate speech, women who discuss their responsibilities to manage abusive behaviour and its risk are nazis and must be threatened, doxxed, intimidated, punched, and if anyone discusses the systems impacted by austerity and their links to male violence they are due the same? This is all backed up by academic disciplines from elite institutions, dying political publicatins and political parties who dont want to recognise these systems? By the lesbians are no longer welcome in LGBT unless they accept sexually abusive behaviour from males as womanhood. Yeah thats like every civil rights movement i've heard of...

lisamuggeridge · 28/07/2018 15:06

It would be downright hateful to point out that no civil rights movement ever has focused entirely on children, lesbians, women harmed by male violence as the front line of their oppression nad needed safeguarding and protections for women and kids against violence and sexual violence removed and demanding the most vulnerable in our society be made vulnerable to harm cos anything else injures your identity...downright hateful...

lisamuggeridge · 28/07/2018 15:07

Do not describe what is happening in front of you because there will be consequences if you do...hmmm...