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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

I Just Had to Explain Why...

125 replies

Mansplanation · 25/07/2018 12:45

Not hiring a woman on the basis that she may one day get pregnant is wrong to a man why is responsible for hiring junior members of staff in my workplace.

WT actual F!...

His argument is that in a meritocracy, if interviews were conducted with a tick box form and a man and woman ticked all the same boxes all the way down the form, then the last question was "are you planning to have children?", if both answered "yes", he would hire the man. He argued that this was fair because the only differentiating factor is their gender, and therefore the only thing he could make a decision on, so he would base his decision on the fact that a woman would need to take more time off work regardless of whether she chose to take maternity leave or not.

He said that to not take gender into account would be positive discrimination, because he'd be actively ignoring the disadvantages of hiring a woman of child bearing age. What's more, he thinks it's awful that he's not allowed to ask men and women if they are planning to have children in an interview.

So to explain why he can't ask, I used the argument in the picture to illustrate equality vs equity, and explained that by his logic, we give everyone the same sized box to stand on and if they can't see over the wall, that's unfortunate. He mentioned disability and how disabled people are in this situation so it's not unheard of and said he thought this was "just natural".

I said "what about wheelchairs? Is that positive discrimination to give a non independently mobile person a wheelchair so they can get out and about? We are effectively giving them an extra box to stand on that brings them nearer to the advantages of being a mobile person"

He said no, but it's different.

I asked how.

He said he didn't know why and changed the subject to 'what feminism is'.

Apparently, he met a lot of feminists while he was at uni who were man haters and wanted an end to all men. They wanted women to be positively discriminated against. He went on to mansplain what feminism is.. to me.. a feminist.

I explained feminism is a movement that fights for equal rights for women, that's all and he needs to spend more time with feminists.

He said "not all feminists are like you though, you're normal".... why, thank you oh great man voice.

I explained that actually, I'm a very normal feminist and his stereotyping of feminists is probably in need of some revision.

Prick.

Luckily, I'm leaving.

I Just Had to Explain Why...
OP posts:
AssassinatedBeauty · 25/07/2018 15:39

That "as a woman.." comment is surely going to get him into deep shit. He can't say that you are incapable of being objective about women and families due to being female. That's outright blatant sexism.

CardsforKittens · 25/07/2018 15:40

Has he provided any explanation for making assumptions based on prejudices rather than on facts?

It's disheartening that this kind of wankery is still alive and kicking. But yes, the CEO should see it if he's making hiring decisions - apart from anything else he's a liability.

ItWillAllBeOkayInTheEnd · 25/07/2018 15:50

Why do you need to wait till you're leaving before you forward it? The sooner he's retrained the better!

PerspicaciaTick · 25/07/2018 15:50

He is an absolute liability to your company, a lawsuit waiting to happen.

Plus he needs to learn the difference between sex and gender.

Beamur · 25/07/2018 16:01

Why wait? Forward it now.

Bowlofbabelfish · 25/07/2018 16:03

Lawsuit waiting to happen. Utter liability.

He’s actively discriminated against you already, and put it in writing so not only is he a twit, he’s an arrogant twit who is going to do something that’ll harm your company.

Forward to CEO. Today. What a colossal bellend. He’s such a liability.

And the arrogance...

Waddlelikeapenguin · 25/07/2018 16:12

Yeah forward it now you leaving is not relevant to his utter ineptitude & asshattery.

Itoldyouiwasgeeky · 25/07/2018 16:12

as a woman I don’t think you’re capable of forcing an objective view on this

Ha ha ha what a nob head! Because of course his opinion is wholly objective, because he’s a man.

Still laughing at the idea that pregnancy is not natural.

UglyCathKidstonBag · 25/07/2018 16:20

I agree, I would forward the email now and make it clear to your higher ups what a liability he is and how he has clearly stated that he will go against the law.

Mansplanation · 25/07/2018 16:30

He's most certainly a liability. It's a matter of time until he's out with a client for a drink or something and says something like this. If he thinks it's acceptable to EMAIL it to me he clearly genuinely sees no issue.

I don't want to rock the boat too much, they're currently letting me leave 2 months earlier than my notice as good grace so the last thing I need is that revoked.

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Bowlofbabelfish · 25/07/2018 16:33

You’re not rocking the boat. You’re doing them a huge favour.

Waddlelikeapenguin · 25/07/2018 16:42

Yes, you're highlighting a "training need"

HotRocker · 25/07/2018 17:03

His sexism and stated intention to actively discriminate against women is not a reflection on you.
Get your whistle out on the bastard. If they view it as you troublemaking they won’t want you around anyway.

UglyCathKidstonBag · 25/07/2018 17:12

You aren’t rocking the boat, in fact if I were your employer I would think you immensely loyal to flag this despite the fact you are leaving.

BeUpStanding · 25/07/2018 17:14
Shock
Chwaraeteg · 25/07/2018 17:25

Lol. Can you forward this email to his linked in contacts?

silentcrow · 25/07/2018 17:28

Do you have a union you could ask for advice? Or a friendly ear in HR (if you have one)?

Bumbungo · 25/07/2018 18:09

If he acted on those opinions, he would be breaking the law, which is somewhat of a risk to your company.

The mere fact he put it down in writing shows him to be a nitwit of the highest proportions who shouldn't be in charge of hiring anyone. Send the email to HR.

Flop3 · 25/07/2018 22:07

I would also ask him how he would feel if his wife/girlfriend, or his daughter one day, came back from a job interview and said that they never got the job just because they were a woman - wonder if his opinion would change at all then?

Absolute disgrace, should forward his emails to your CEO/HR (entire work place) immediately !

Stellarbella · 25/07/2018 22:14

That people like this walk among us, and have responsibility for hiring decisions, makes my blood run cold.

LonginesPrime · 25/07/2018 22:24

Apparently, he met a lot of feminists while he was at uni who were man haters and wanted an end to all men.

Feminists at uni hated him? Quelle surprise.

Ereshkigal · 25/07/2018 22:29

Ask him if he's heard of James Damore, and his memo.

annandale · 25/07/2018 22:34

He has the right to do anything he likes in an interview, nobody is stopping him. And the candidates have the right to sue the company for discriminatory practice, and on his current performance, they would win. It's just that few candidates will do this. Instead he will fill the company with people who look and think exactly like him. And no doubt he will regard this as proof that people that look like him do the best job.

ErrolTheDragon · 26/07/2018 07:30

I just started to read a link on another thread and came across this and thought of this thread:
'mansplaining is not a universal flaw of the gender, just the intersection between overconfidence and cluelessness where some portion of that gender gets stuck.'

SophoclesTheFox · 26/07/2018 07:52

He's not doing much to advance his notion that men are better employees, is he Grin

In your shoes, as long as your exit is agreed in writing (things in writing tend to be good proof of stuff, as miladdo is about to find out), then I'd forward it to the CEO stat, highlighting it as a lawsuit waiting to happen to your company. She's going to want to know that.

Christ alive, what a dick!

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