The vast majority of male born transwomen still retain a penis

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fairplayforwomen.com/penis/

Stats for arguing with waiverers.

YourFriendlyNeighbourhoodTrans

There is no 'we' here and your forced teaming is creepy as fuck.

TodaysUsernameIs
"My DD may not be at risk from her knife-possessing key worker, and I may not be at risk from the penis-possessing woman next to me; but I'm conditioned to think that way by society because knife crime, and penis crime, are a fact of life."

But we can say the same about a lot of things we're conditioned to believe. The fact that most bad guys on television and media are black or middle Eastern leads us to distrust those groups. Should those groups have to change their behaviour because of our prejudice? Or should we unlearn those prejudices?

I think the latter personally. Interested to hear what you think.

Bewilderness
I'm sorry you feel that way.

Some of us were on the receiving end of Char's rape and death threats so hearing you, YourFriendlyNeighbourhoodTrans, declare them a nice person is just effing perfect.

Again, I'll reference the threats made by Julie Bindel - "kill men now ask me how".

Why are Char's provocative and offensive statements serious business but Julie's are fine?

Since 98% of violent crime is perpetrated by males and females are wary of them as a result, you arguing that the problem in your opinion is the prejudice of the wary females instead of male violence is precisely what we are conditioned to believe.
Fortunately some of us unpack that misogynist conditioning. It is unfortunate that you have not done so.

How much of the total number of men does that 98% actually represent?

I think if you take the current prison figures and work out the percentage of the male population currently in prison for all crimes (the vast majority of which are non violent) the number comes out to about 0.2%

I don't deny that if you experience violence in your lifetime it will likely be a man commuting the violence. However, I do disagree with you that this is grounds for distrusting all men, males or even people who have penises as each individual you run into only has a 0.2% chance of being a criminal. And even less of a chance if being likely to be violent towards you.

I cry bullshit that a rapist is equivalent to a woman or eunuch that happens to be mean. A rapist ie a male bodied attacker has a set of characteristics unique to men, for example larger and stronger body, higher testosterone, male privilege/ entitlement/ socialisation and so on.

10th rule of misogyny: The worst thing about male violence is that it makes men look bad.

kateharding.net/2009/10/08/guest-blogger-starling-schrodinger%E2%80%99s-rapist-or-a-guy%E2%80%99s-guide-to-approaching-strange-women-without-being-maced/

However, I do disagree with you that this is grounds for distrusting all men, males or even people who have penises as each individual you run into only has a 0.2% chance of being a criminal.

That is a false statement.

Newbie
I think you're misunderstanding my point. I wasn't saying mere meanness is rape. I was saying that the fixation on one way people can rape misses the point entirely; the rapist is the issue, the kind of rape is irrelevant to this point.

Furthermore... Not all rapists are larger and stronger than their victims. Power isn't just about physical force, and rape is largely about power. Not even to mention typically speaking you're right that men are larger and stronger but this doesn't apply across the board. There are many many many many many exceptions to this general rule of thumb.

Bewilderness
This is also not what I'm saying. But I think you know that, it seems you're on a little bit of a streak to find the worst possible way of reading my words.

Gonna stop responding to you until you chill a lil.

That's exactly my point - that the characteristics of a rapist are not limited to penis-owning; the people more likely to be perpetrators of violence and abuse are men. I'm fully aware that rape is about power and not necessarily physical strength - but again, involves male characteristics. These are the reasons women are entitled to safe spaces.

There is not point at which you can expect people here not to call you on your lies. I am cold as ice.
Still I gotta thank you for mansplaining rapists to women on the Feminist and Women's Rights board of MN. Effing Classic.

Chill bewilderness

Newbie
The characteristics of a rapist are not limited full stop. Literally anyone can be a rapist - and though yes, most women are raped by people with penises, no doubt about that. Though this isn't grounds to treat all people with penises as if they're potential rapists.

Equally, I would bet most rapists own jeans. Should we also treat everyone who wears jeans as if they're a potential rapist?

And lol Bewilderness

What's the point in trying to converse with someone who is purposely reading the worst interpretation of what I'm saying and just waiting to shout "mansplaining" at me? I'm struggling to find one.

Please don't talk to me if you're not going to discuss the topic at hand. Thank you.

I kinda love it when people are so effing arrogant they think they can order you around on the effing interwebs.
This whole place is full of uppity disobedient women all day every day.
Newbie.

Yo, d00d! You are the one off topic. Read the OP and be reminded that you are a derailer,YourFriendlyNeighbourhoodTrans.

No, friendly. No. Rapists are men. We all know the truth here. You know perfectly well I'm not saying all men are rapists.

Thanks bewilderness, been needing cake.

You're wrong newbie.

Women rape too, though its usually minimised and considered "forced envelopment" instead of rape. As the legal definition of rape requires one has a penis - though I think by in large this isn't how society sees rape. To most people, rape is any kind of sex without consent or via coercion.

Just the other week a woman raped a man using a machete to coerce him. The media didn't call it rape anywhere - and many people were rightfully outraged about this.

amp-local10-com.cdn.ampproject.org/c/s/amp.local10.com/news/woman-uses-machete-to-force-ex-boyfriend-to-have-sex

Can we not pretend this doesn't happen?

Well my background is a lawyer so yes, I would be using the legal definition. But I concede that other non-penis forms of sexual abuse are equally abhorrent.

Can we not pretend that the vast majority of sex crimes, vast majority of violence including domestic, and all rapes are not committed by men, please? We have a common problem that affects women and transwomen and it's called male violence. Admit it and stop pretending female srx crimes are anything like in the same ballpark. When's the last time someone was attacked by a female stranger?

And again friendly you are still mansplaining rape on a feminist board. I am a woman, I am a mother, I am a lawyer - please don't tell me again what your definition of rape is.

However, I do disagree with you that this is grounds for distrusting all men, males or even people who have penises as each individual you run into only has a 0.2% chance of being a criminal. And even less of a chance if being likely to be violent towards you.

Maybe only a tiny percentage of me offend, but the real question is for a woman is, how do we tell which category the man in front of us fits into? Given the levels of sexual assault in places like university campuses, it's clear that sexual assault is more common than not.

I used to teach in a women's refuge which had insanely high levels of security because it was regularly under siege from angry men.

I was once punched in the head by a strange man walking past me in the street.

As I've detailed elsewhere, I've been threatened with physical harm and had my home vandalised by a transwoman who was also a stranger to me.

And that's just a few stories from the life of one woman who has been pretty safe in her life. But I have still been sexually harassed, spat on, followed by cars full of men and sworn at in the street for not being complaisant enough.

I am willing to accept that the transwomen on this thread mean no physical harm to women, but how do I pick the dangerous men from the safe ones, whatever they're wearing?

This is the Australian femicide map. There are a thousand stories there about women and children dead at the hands of male violence.

You might be sanguine about the "niceness" of a person carrying a baseball bat with a death threat to women tattooed on their body, but I doubt there's a woman alive who could look at that image and not feel a flash of instinctive fear.

Gah. men offend.

Newbie.
I disagree with the legal definition and gave reasoning and evidence to suggest many other people disagree with it too. This isn't mansplaining, it's a discussion. Where we share ideas and argue about things using facts and reason to justify our claims.

If you're just going to yell mansplaining at me whenever I say something you don't like, please don't bother to engage with me. I'd really rather not waste my time there.

If you're interested in debate however, then by all means. Let's discuss ideas and stuff!

Furthermore I've not pretended this isn't the case, I clearly agreed with this point already . However, you are pretending that women don't rape and are using the legal definition to justify that claim. I think you're wrong and I think the legal definition is wrong and should be updated. I've given my reasoning as to why already.

DanceLike
I'm sorry those horrible things happened to you, and I wish I knew how to prevent it from ever happening to anyone ever again. But I don't.

What I do know is that the answer isn't prejudice, again, to compare this to racial prejudice - in poor American neighbourhoods with gang violence. Its pretty likely that if you hear of an attack the culprit will likely have been black. Though you know this is a minority of black people and doesn't represent the whole, you're still left wondering the same question you asked above: how do I know which ones to trust?

Would you say treating all black people with prejudice is the way forwards in this situation? If not - then why and how can you justify it for men or males or people with penises?

And on Char, that's kind of the point of the image. It's supposed to be shocking and stuff. To grab your attention and hopefully make you engage with the point of the stunt. Like I said, I disagree her methods were effective, but I don't disagree with the idea behind it or think she's a bad person. She honestly seems really nice.

Also it isn't a death threat to women, it was "die cis scum" which applies to both men and women. There's an article I read recently which sums it up really well if you're interested.

medium.com/@notCursedE/die-cis-scum-5210313db6d4

Women don't rape but it doesn't matter if we disagree on the legal definition, because if a woman commits an offence that you would call rape, she will still be convicted of a sex offense and rightly so.

What you're ignoring is that this scenario is very, very rare. Conversely, 2 women a week in the UK are killed by male partners. Almost all women have an experience of rape, assault or harrassment. Why are you trying to equate male and female crime?