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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

The vast majority of male born transwomen still retain a penis

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IJustHadToNameChange · 22/07/2018 12:40

fairplayforwomen.com/penis/

Stats for arguing with waiverers.

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Pepvixen · 23/07/2018 18:41

I've always assumed they just sit around and wait and take it as some 'me time'. Whereas women usually have a ton of other things to do and try and get the poo done asap.

Ereshkigal · 23/07/2018 18:45

I don't think you have a legitimate boundary

That pretty much sums up Trans Ideology in a handy bite sized sentence.

Oh yes!

TellsEveryoneRealFacts · 23/07/2018 19:00

I've always assumed they just sit around and wait and take it as some 'me time'. Whereas women usually have a ton of other things to do and try and get the poo done asap.

I always thought it was to avoid doing the washing up.

GeorgeFayne · 23/07/2018 19:16

This thread is AWESOME and the perfect example of women multi-tasking. We can simultaneously debunk misogynist shit AND discuss actual shit in the same conversation.

I suspect my husband takes forever on the toilet because he brings his damn phone in there. Seriously, I would NOT want to culture his phone to see what grows!

Interesting tidbit of WOMEN'S BIOLOGY here to unite the subjects: progesterone can slow digestion. Some women notice constipation when levels are high, then looser stools when levels drop. Can definitely be an issue in pregnancy!

SophoclesTheFox · 23/07/2018 19:25

And that 1% is the few times when I've been asked by other women for tissue or tampons or whatever

Hahahaha! no. Only in your imagination. In my thirty-five plus years of being old enough to be asked for a tampon by a stranger, it's happened twice.

You may think you pass in the ladies loos, but what you don't realise, because you've clearly never let it bother you is that women see you, clock you're male and the stats will go something like this:

some of them will just vanish. You won't see them go. You won't know why - but it's your presence. Those are the traumatised women who simply cannot bear to share intimate spaces with males, or the religious women who are completely mortified by doing so. They'll never say anything to you. They're too afraid. They will be thinking about the changes they can make in their lives to avoid this situation happening again - their lives may get smaller.

Some women will feel uncomfortable but tell themselves to be kind, or to be cool, or that they are still safe, and that your struggles are greater than theirs. They're still uncomfortable. But they won't challenge you not because they're happy that you're there, but because they habitually won't challenge males transgressing boundaries, because experience has often taught them that this escalates the situation and female socialisation makes it difficult (I am in this category),

Some of them will be so uncomfortable that they'll challenge you.

Some of them won't care that you're there. It doesn't bother them.

Why do you assume that all women are in the fourth category? What do you think the percentages are? Has it ever occurred to you to find out?

If you want to identify as a woman, you could at least start by identifying with us.

thebewilderness · 23/07/2018 19:25

I used to think it was low fruit and veg consumption when I was younger but now I think it is because most men eat too much too fast. Way too much way too fast. So their digestive system has reduced efficiency because they make it work too hard.

thebewilderness · 23/07/2018 19:28

Important information well stated, SophoclesTheFox.

Ereshkigal · 23/07/2018 19:30

Well that piece makes Fair Play for Women look stupid IMO because not all trans people assigned male at birth are trans women - the overwhelming majority aren't trans women. Drag Queens aren't trans women. Transvestites aren't trans women.

I'd just like to unpack this earlier post from Snappity. So you are saying that drag queens and cross dressers are trans but not "trans women"? What are they then? What constitutes a "trans woman"? Do you agree that everyone male without gender dysphoria should not be able to use women's spaces?

Bowlofbabelfish · 23/07/2018 19:30

progesterone can slow digestion.

Living proof here ... 35 weeks pregnant, HG from the start, acid that makes Alien look pH neutral and now gallbladder packing up. Joy oh fucking joy.

Fucking progesterone waves slightly swollen fist

The babelfish menfolk are prolific bathroom hoggers.

Bumbungo · 23/07/2018 19:34

George

Cludgie. Bog. Toilet/Loo in general conversation. Ladies when asking for location.

Also, the name for the bum skoosher hose thing usually available in Arabic countries' loos is called a shataff. I'm sure that spelling isn't right but phonetically that's what it sounds like. I have always been amused by that.

I did once ask an assistant in a New York grocery store which aisle the loo roll was located, follwed by that very NY 'excuse me'? My husband still slags me for that.

Ereshkigal · 23/07/2018 19:35

Why do you assume that all women are in the fourth category? What do you think the percentages are? Has it ever occurred to you to find out?

I think the Wings over Scotland Panelbase poll shows up the reality rather starkly.

GeorgeFayne · 23/07/2018 19:38

Aww, Babel, you have my sympathies! I was recently there, I feel your pain. Carry on! You're almost there!

Sophocles So many excellent statements!
...their lives may get smaller.

If you want to identify as a woman, you could at least start by identifying with us.

Ereshkigal · 23/07/2018 19:39

Also, the name for the bum skoosher hose thing usually available in Arabic countries' loos is called a shataff. I'm sure that spelling isn't right but phonetically that's what it sounds like. I have always been amused by that.

That's great. I am a great fan of those bum hose things and bidets Blush like to skoosh! Very Non U

Prawnofthepatriarchy · 23/07/2018 19:39

Fox when I've spent time browsing sites where transwomen post pictures of themselves asking each other if they pass, I've observed that they hardly ever do. And that's even with a very carefully posed shot, cropped just so and when the subject is young and fresh faced.

Once they're out in the world walking around they're not likely to pass for more than an instant, if that. The proportions are all wrong for a start.

I get the impression that far more TW think they pass than do. Because if you think women don't notice you're male you're also not going to have a realistic view of how they're reacting to you in an enclosed space like a changing room.

Ereshkigal · 23/07/2018 19:42

What Prawn said. I very rarely see pictures of "passing" ones. Especially not the late transitioning white ones.

Bumbungo · 23/07/2018 19:44

Ereshkigal

I wasn't really a fan until I had an episotomy with DC1.

Then I appreciated.

Prawnofthepatriarchy · 23/07/2018 19:44

If you want to identify as a woman, you could at least start by identifying with us.

Some of the old school transsexuals do identify with women. They understand our fears, and they freely admit that they're not women, but that transition eased crippling dysphoria. They are being hurt by TRAs. Not as badly as women and girls, but I do fear for transsexuals when the backlash against aggressive transactivists comes.

thebewilderness · 23/07/2018 19:45

Restroom is because department stores and theaters built a lounge for women to rest their feet attached to the toilets.
Potty is from the night soil chamber pots that people used because going to the outhouse at night was dangerous.
Words are wonderful and I like them very much.

SophoclesTheFox · 23/07/2018 19:49

I think the lack of realism about how others perceive things is quite pervasive, prawn.

And many of today's crop of the female-penis brigade seem quite severly impaired in the ability to put themselves in other people's shoes. And its not unconnected.

Unfortunately, I can't abide wings over scotland, eresh. I'm not for ideological purity by any means, and am happy to disagree with people about loads of things while agreeing on this, but with him, if he said the sky was blue, my first reaction would be to disagree just on principle Grin

Ereshkigal · 23/07/2018 19:56

Unfortunately, I can't abide wings over scotland, eresh. I'm not for ideological purity by any means, and am happy to disagree with people about loads of things while agreeing on this, but with him, if he said the sky was blue, my first reaction would be to disagree just on principle

Fair enough! It's a good trans/sex segregated spaces attitudes poll but I can't comment on the Scottish stuff since I know fuck all Grin

Prawnofthepatriarchy · 23/07/2018 19:56

Bidet? God I'd lurrve to have a bidet. But my bathroom is too small.

Oh, darling Bowl, I'm so sorry you're feeling crap, and in this heat too. It'll be over soon. The things we do for love, eh?

That's a thought. How many men would identify as women if they had to go through all the myriad ills of pregnancy and childbirth? Because developing life threatening complications, or more common ones like having all the enamel stripped off your back teeth by reflux or your pelvis start groaning on its hinges isn't perhaps the kind of "womanly" they're thinking of.

thebewilderness · 23/07/2018 20:15

DancelikeEmmaGoldman Mon 23-Jul-18 14:33:25 I swear, if women ceded the word woman to men and called themselves squirrels, men would be stuffing nuts in their cheeks and dangling off bird feeders inside of 20 minutes.

I would just like to take this opportunity while I am catching up to mention how very much I adorable you.

BeUpStanding · 23/07/2018 20:16

Bowlofbabelfish You'll have to post a birth announcement on FWR when the time comes Smile

Rufustheyawningreindeer · 23/07/2018 20:18

Definitely a birth announcement bowl

Hope you are feeling a bit better soon

howlsmovingcastle84 · 23/07/2018 20:23

SophoclesTheFox I honestly wonder if TRAs think we are having some sort of continuous sorority party/sleepover/pillow fight in the toilets that we are actively excluding them from. I can only speak for myself but the number of times that:
I've been asked/asked a woman for a tampon in the toilets = 0
I've been asked/asked 'can I borrow your lipstick/mascara/eyelash curlers?' = 0
I've asked/been asked 'how does this bra look? Is it too big? Too small?' = 0

Number of times I've stopped a woman/been stopped for leaving the toilets due to toilet paper on shoe= maybe 2

that's the extent of my girly interactions in the toilets.

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