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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Trans men aren't men according to gay men

127 replies

IJustHadToNameChange · 20/07/2018 23:17

Gay Canadian Facebook Group are none too thrilled about dysphoric females.....

www.back2stonewall.com/2018/07/gay-male-facebook-group-refuses-to-accept-trans-men.html

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numptynuts · 22/07/2018 09:00

*Sorry, no. The group is for actual homosexual men,” he said. “Dysphoric females are not and can never be men, so are therefore naturally (and quite obviously) excluded.”

When asked about the outrage by trans activists Bennett replied: “I have little care or concern of the opinions of trans activists. “You may quote me.”*

Oh....this has made my morning.

Acornriver · 22/07/2018 09:59

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VickyEadie · 22/07/2018 10:11

I conducted a poll of two gay men I know (they're not the only 2 I know, but I was with them so I asked) as follows (I have summarised their answers to avoid repetition):

  1. Would you consider a sexual relationship with a transman? Answer: no!
  2. Why not? Answer: because they're women. They have women's bodies. I'm not attracted to women's bodies.
  3. Do you think some gay men would consider it? Answer: no, because they'd be bisexual, not gay.

I should add that a supplementary comment from one of them was "Why are you asking these fucking stupid questions?"

hipsterfun · 22/07/2018 10:17

I am looking forward to Dr Christian Jessen, Dr Adrian Harrop, and Owen Jones, being consistent in their condemnation of transphobia

Has anyone on Twitter asked them for their thoughts?

MorrisZapp · 22/07/2018 10:23

Gay men have a very special place in my heart. The most articulate feminist I know is a gay man. So I'm onside already.

This might sound odd but I really don't think it comes down to cock or no cock. I think gay men (like straight women) are attracted to male voices, stubble, body size etc. Pinning the most excellent cock of all time onto a woman wouldn't do the biz for most gay men.

Obviously, there's always outliers and exceptions. But despite the apparent cock focus of many gay men, they actually want the whole package, even for casual encounters.

Just wanted to chip that in.

MorrisZapp · 22/07/2018 10:25

Ps apart from Owen Jones, he can fuck off. And Dr Harrumph.

Bowlofbabelfish · 22/07/2018 10:42

I think gay men (like straight women) are attracted to male voices, stubble, body size etc. Pinning the most excellent cock of all time onto a woman wouldn't do the biz for most gay men.

I agree. And this is what biology is. You cannot change sex, and even the most sophisticated surgery and hormone treatment cannot exactly replicate the appearance of the opposite sex.
Humans are very good at ‘thin slicing’ - picking up a multitude of small subtle clues and combining them often unconsciously to make a judgement call.

Some idle musings... and this is speaking in general terms, I don’t mean any one individual, it seems a little cruel to me to examine how well an individual passes somehow. But anyway...

I do wonder if this is why such a big thing is made of ‘passing.’ It’s effectively saying you can beat the inbuilt systems we all have?
There’s also the ‘uncanny valley’ effect where something that looks almost as you expect but not quite is more striking and disturbing than something that looks obviously fake. This is often used as a concept in robotics and animation - things like computer generated faces that are almost perfect are far more disturbing to humans than obviously cartoonish ones. Anyone who games a lot will have seen this too and I think this is why even though they can get those graphics almost perfect they still animate with a lot of exaggerated features and alien morphology - it’s just too uncanny valley to have it almost perfect.

You’ve probably seen it too in movies recently and TV - Christopher Lee being resurrected in Star Wars, Carrie fisher’s face being stuck onto another actress, and in Westworld (which actually did it very well) Anthony Hopkins as a young man. Iron man as well in one movie.

All these almost perfect Replicas/portrayals invoke this response and I wonder if this is something we have when we look at people trying to pass for the opposite sex? It’d be a very interesting research project...

IJustHadToNameChange · 22/07/2018 10:46

Tried messaging him, but Facebook Messenger is down. ☹

My new hero. ❤

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hipsterfun · 22/07/2018 11:37

I think gay men (like straight women) are attracted to male voices, stubble, body size etc.

You can keep the stubble.

My feeling is there’s more to it than even these obvious visually observable features and it comes down to chemical signals, though I understand this isn’t very well evidenced in humans yet.

LonginesPrime · 22/07/2018 14:35

TRAs know that time is running out.
Tick Tock.

Lots of transmen are attracted to women and stick with the lesbian community. And the ones who don't aren't as shouty as the Transwomen TRAs.

So while this is interesting, it seems to be more a commentary on sexism and the privileged role that men hold in this whole debate than an indication that the tide is turning for women.

TruscumTeen · 22/07/2018 18:04

Of course we aren't men. Man = male sex. We're female. There's a few vocal trans teens (18ish) who reiterate this fact, and who get branded "transphobic" Hmm

I'd never expect a gay man to want a relationship with me - because I'm not male.

The few vocal FtM trans teens I'm aware of (who aren't attracted to non-trans women) have relationships with other FtM people, because they are aware that gay men are not attracted to their bodies.

foxyliz26 · 22/07/2018 18:23

Certain gay men think all women smell of fish downstairs , and what gay men called Fag Hags ( they are only in gay clubs so some old queen has someone to dance with )
now everyone on the gay scene calls all straight women cis

I have always been a lesbian , have had 3 g/f over the last 35 years who have transitioned to F2M 2 are straight, are married to straight women , one became a gay guy, he is happy as Larry, and very popular , but who cares ?

are peoples lives so empty they have to worry about who is doing what and with whom ?
our next door neighbour a straight CIS gay calls me love , he treats my girlfriend like a bloke and calls her M8
he always kisses me on the cheek at Christmas and shakes my G/F Jo,s hand !

HelenaDove · 22/07/2018 18:46

It was Peter Cushing who was "resurrected" in Star Wars.

Bowlofbabelfish · 22/07/2018 18:49

You’re absolutely right helena - it was.

Grin
SimonBridges · 22/07/2018 19:10

Where do I join the line to buy him a pint?

HuckfromScandal · 22/07/2018 19:13

❤️❤️❤️❤️
Love the sass of “you may quote me” lol

Abouttoblow · 22/07/2018 22:46

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ArcheryAnnie · 22/07/2018 23:31

2 are straight, are married to straight women

If a woman has a relationship with someone female, they are not straight, even if the person they are in a relationship with identifies as a trans man.

IJustHadToNameChange · 22/07/2018 23:55

www.facebook.com/groups/vintagegaytoronto/permalink/1743721795741711/

I notice Bespin and Daim aren't here.

Funny that. 🤔

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BettyDuMonde · 23/07/2018 18:41

I say this all the time but check out the trans threads on gay chat forum datalounge.com.
It’s hilarious, forthright, not PC and not at all safe for work but it’s a great reminder that it’s not just GC feminists that see the problems with the TRA ideology.

BettyDuMonde · 23/07/2018 18:58

Site NSFW - www.datalounge.com/thread/20863815

Starkstaring · 23/07/2018 19:08

Ok thanks FWR I've now made by first trip to Datalounge, and it's talk of "bonus holes"😳

But an apposite comment here - I doubt this comes up much in the gender clinics (but should):

They should think reaaaally well about ALL the consequences of the so-called "transition" before doing it, including thinking about the state/path their sexual/romantic life will inevitably take, because the options will get very limited, very niche, and there's no social network bitching (or press bitching, if you are one of the celebrity trans) that will change that.

Bowlofbabelfish · 23/07/2018 19:10

Just a wild guess, but I’m assuming the gents of data lounge aren’t being harassed, inundated with MRAs and having their site threatened with legal action?

Would I be correct in that assertion?

BettyDuMonde · 23/07/2018 19:14

They do get targeted (as far as I can tell) but not to the same extent as Mumsnet. The entire sites tagline contains the words ‘pointless bitchery’ though, so that probably works as a bit of a shield that Mumsnet can’t replicate!

BettyDuMonde · 23/07/2018 19:18

www.datalounge.com/tags/4