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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Repeat after us: TWAW

596 replies

Floorplan · 11/07/2018 21:13

Is this some kind of joke? No its real.

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UpstartCrow · 12/07/2018 17:30

Its not for women to run other peoples campaigns for them. When men start a campaign we can support, we will.

FloralBunting · 12/07/2018 17:41

Presented with the horror of the deaths of so many women at the hands of violent men, the poster doubled down and insisted it was not a 'huge feminist crisis'.

"Why can't you just get on with it, and not reference feminism? Why do you have to name male violence as an issue? Just talk about the women's stuff that matters"

The assembled readers shook their heads sadly as the point flew over the poster head like Concorde...

Bowlofbabelfish · 12/07/2018 17:41

Again, I'm not saying that murder isn't horrific, just that something which affects less than 0.01% of the female population isn't a huge feminist crisis.

Did you read the case in Wales the other week? The one where South Wales police repeatedly let down a woman who was being tortured (their words, not my hyperbole) by her partner? He was hitting her with a hammer, and pinning her arms under a sofa to jump on her pregnant stomach. And many other, awful and sustained acts of cruelty. She’s lucky to be alive.
Anyway they basically left her there, repeatedly, with this man, didn’t interview her alone even though she was clearly seriously injured. They apologised for bothering her partner though.

Why am I asking and telling you this? Well it’s important because every woman’s life is important. It’s also important because it shows the frankly shocking systemic disregard of violence against women.

There are clear DV procedures in place for the police. They were not followed. Not by a single rogue officer, but by a series of them.

Because people have attitudes like the one you’ve expressed.

He got five years by the way for nearly killing her. He’ll be out soon and free to do it to another woman. Will the police and other systems protect that woman? Not if they don’t understand that violence against women is endemic, and a massive issue.

WrongOnTheInternet · 12/07/2018 17:42

Flutterby now add in the rape figures...

Bowlofbabelfish · 12/07/2018 17:43

I’d also like to ask you how many women you think there are in the UK dealing with similar acts of violence right now?

The ones who don’t quite get murdered, just get the shit knocked out of them, seriously injured, raped, controlled and abused?

Do they matter? Is that ‘not a massive feminist issue’ as well?

Flutterby1891 · 12/07/2018 17:57

Don't put words in my mouth, please.

We're not talking about rape and other crimes, we're talking about the "omg, two women a week are killed, I'm furious at men" attitudes which seem so prevalent and if anything encouraged.

Flutterby1891 · 12/07/2018 17:59

Why not just be furious at the two men who killed them?

OlennasWimple · 12/07/2018 18:00

Should we not be angry at two women a week killed by their partners? What if it were five a week? Are we allowed to be angry then?

littlbrowndog · 12/07/2018 18:02

Heart of stone flutterby.

BeyondRadicalisationPortal · 12/07/2018 18:03

I have one very dead friend and one male who was creepy towards me then went on to murder their a partner. Damn right I'm angry.

OlennasWimple · 12/07/2018 18:03

Oh, and it's not two women a week murdered, it's two women a week murdered by their partners or ex-partners

BeyondRadicalisationPortal · 12/07/2018 18:04

And as to why include rape? It is the same reaction from society when a man rapes a woman as to when he beats or murders her - 'I wonder what she did to make him do that"

JackyHolyoake · 12/07/2018 18:05

Flutterby you clearly do not understand feminism in any way. What you describe above is Identity Politics .. the very antithesis of feminist politics.

Feminism is by, with and for all females in our world. It's aim is to liberate females from domination by males. Its aim is to deliver parity of power and control over our female lives.

Repeat after us: TWAW
useriop · 12/07/2018 18:05

What the ACTUAL FUCK is happening here on this board?

If women being murdered doesn't qualify for attention then what does?

My husband is autistic and tried to kill himself last year. He's been depressed and had suicidal ideation for years.

His attempt was traumatic in the extreme and I worry daily about losing him, it's not something I take lightly ... but how dare anyone use his mental difficulties, and those like them, to brush off murders and male violence against women? He'd be shocked at that too I think.

Flutterby1891 · 12/07/2018 18:07

I've never heard anybody apart from feminists say anything like that (aside from maybe reprehensible defence lawyers when interviewing a race victim and trying to get their client off).

Flutterby1891 · 12/07/2018 18:08

"Rape victim"

Was replying to Beyond.

SophoclesTheFox · 12/07/2018 18:10

You don't like feminists much, do you flutter

Makes it hard to have a civilised conversation - this feminist board is awash with feminists that you're insulting.

Hangingaroundtheportal · 12/07/2018 18:16

Why not just be furious at the two men who killed them?

People are. But unfortunately that alone will not change things. Something has to change at a societal level in order for male violence towards women (and by the way just so you know rape is included in that) to change.

As Jane Fae so terribly put it (but I sort of get what she meant) a lot of murders of women by men are DV related. Women are getting raped, sexually assaulted, stalked and the shit beaten out of them by their partners all the time, sometimes that man will go even further and that woman becomes another statistic.

I have to say I am absolutely gobsmacked by the nature of your posts.

RedToothBrush · 12/07/2018 18:18

The whole world and it's politics, religion and power is geared towards the interests of men first.

Feminism is the one and only strand where it's not

BeyondRadicalisationPortal · 12/07/2018 18:21

You've never heard anyone apart from feminists (oh and lawyers) say that? Gosh, I... don't really know what to say to that. Just that my experience does,not correlate with yours at all.

Prawnofthepatriarchy · 12/07/2018 18:29

Flutterby, you do realise that all your points are ones every MRA troll who comes to the Feminism board makes? You're neither new nor special.

You're disappointed in feminism, I get that. The best thing to do is to email [email protected]. They won't give a fuck and neither do I.

OlennasWimple · 12/07/2018 18:30

You're hanging out with the wrong kind of feminists then (aka not actual feminists)

OlennasWimple · 12/07/2018 18:31

^^ That was for the OP

Pratchet · 12/07/2018 18:33

Flutter: I may have missed this. What are you doing about male suicide rates.

Bowlofbabelfish · 12/07/2018 18:46

Why not just be furious at the two men who killed them?

Because these are not ‘one off’ deaths that occur in a vacuum

They expose a pattern of societal normalisation of violence towards women. They expose how for example the police in South Wales failed utterly in their duty of care towards a woman being tortured and beaten by her partner. They expose how Male violence permeates every level of society and how women are blamed for that violence. They indicate just how many women are in relationships with men who beat them, rape them and control them. The ones who are killed are the tip of a huge iceberg that taints our society.

Can’t you see this? Or do you just not care?