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Is this some kind of joke? No its real.

Considering how many do it as a "fuck you" (think murder suicides here), I'd argue that some of the 4000 aren't missed.
I can't find UK stats for an actual number, but apparently there are 11 a week in the US.

But logic and science stand a decent chance of winning out, Flutterby.

If you're talking about hate you're in completely the wrong place. Try a transactivist forum and ask them about gender critical feminists.

Because the threatened and actual violence, the doxxing, the no platforming, the slurs are all coming from transactivists directed at us. It's not gender critical feminists who are issuing bomb threats.

Feminists are the principle group opposing International Mens Day

Yep, definitely top of my list of feminist campaigns

Yes, male suicide is an appalling problem. Are there any other issues you think women should focus on that are far more significant than women murdered solely due to male violence, and then largely ignored?
I mean, Jamie Oliver has already got rid of turkey twizzlers, and the hole in the ozone layer was sorted some time ago, but as we have unlimited time and resources, I'm sure you could set us some more important tasks.

What about men?

For the attention of affected lurkers:

It’s not cool for posters to just throw up stuff about suicide willy-nilly to score political points. Depression and suicidal thoughts are a real problem and if you are suffering, please seek help. The Samaritans are a brilliant resource and you can stay anonymous if you wish.
www.samaritans.org

That said, some abusers use suicide threats as a form of coercive control, and yes, some use it as the ultimate fuck you.

Please do not stay with an abusive partner because they’ve scared you into believing they will take their own lives if you leave:

www.cosmopolitan.com/uk/love-sex/relationships/a9905675/domestic-abuse-suicide-control/

Blessed be the fruit.

^Not sure why anyone is still engaging with snappiity .
Almost everything they say is complete nonsense, some of it utterly revolting language towards women.^
They are not open to reason or facts so what is the point.
They are just derailing and bogging down threads with lies and gaslighting.

I just ignore they.

imwideawake Very wise ...

Repeat After Me
Cock and Balls Doth Not A Woman Make.

Fact.

Learn something new everyday - abusive men threatening suicide is a red flag for professionals as it indicates they are more likely to use lethal force on their partners:

www.powerandcontrolfilm.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Risk-Assessment.pdf

Why is it that so often people only give a fuck about male suicide rates when they are trying to divert discussion away from the problem of men murdering women?

They might be a bit less inclined to do so if we start reminding them how closely male suicide ideation/suicide is linked with male violence against women?

I'm just looking at other statistics as a basis for comparison.

Comparison of what? What are you comparing, I don’t understand. Are you saying Male suicide is a problem and domestic violence isn’t purely on a numbers basis? I mean the number of children killed by adult abdictirsbis thankfully relatively low, but it keeps happening and every case quite rightly shocks us to the core.

To give an analogy, there are many ghastly rare illnesses out there, but they are not all epidemics.

So the next time Ebola pops up, we just ignore it? It’s killed a teeny tiny proportion of humanity, right? Probably a fraction of a percentage of what TB has.

How about Hendra? We just ignore that too? The other emerging novel viruses like SARS, I mean they don’t kill many, not compared to say TB or malaria.

Or do we rank the world's Issues in terms of awfulness? So Male suicide is where exactly on the ladder of victimhood compared to femicide? How does socioeconomic status come into it I wonder - all those young women raped, killed and mutilated in ciudad Juarez - are they higher or lower on our list than Uk or US women?

Do you understand how it comes across when you dismiss the suffering and death of women at the hands of men in the way you have?

The Samaritans are a brilliant resource and you can stay anonymous if you wish.

Not everyone has a positive experience of the Samaritans. I didn't, and years apart, my partner didn't.

The Samaritans released that guidance on reporting on suicide that contradicts the way TRAs like to leverage suicide, didn't they?
I'm sorry you and your partner had a bad experience, Snappity.

That’s a shame, snappity.

By contrast, I had a very positive experience with the Samaritans and I’m grateful they were there when I needed someone to support me through some very dark thinking.

For the lurkers.

Repeat after me: These are links on how to spot a cult.
Repeat after me: These are links on how to spot a cult.
Repeat after me: These are links on how to spot a cult.
Repeat after me: These are links on how to spot a cult.

Oh. ahem. Linkys

www.wikihow.com/Recognize-and-Avoid-Brainwashing

www.culteducation.com/warningsigns.html

www.quackwatch.org/02ConsumerProtection/cult.html

www.abuseandrelationships.org/Content/Communal%20Abuse/communal_abuse.html

Chanting Cognitive thought occurs in the format of language even when 'silent'. What is not well known is that even silent thought activates the larynx (voicebox) in an incipient way. Chanting is a way of tying up the voice box with syllables unrelated to thinking, and so thinking is blocked. As with monks and Gregorian chant, or other traditions, a limited amount of this is an aid to true reflection. An excessive amount leads to cognitive disablement. Some cult members are taught to start chanting whenever an outsider tries to reason with them.

Okay so 900 women are murdered = insignificant, 4000 men suicide = significant
Where exactly is the cut off between 900 and 4000?

The Samaritans have been most excellent in my experience but options are always good, so:

Mind: www.mind.org.uk

Papyrus: www.papyrus-uk.org

The NHS help page (inc CALM - specifically for men): www.nhs.uk/conditions/suicide/

Help for those bereaved by suicide:
uksobs.org

AND

National Domestic Violence Hotline: www.nationaldomesticviolencehelpline.org.uk

NHS page for those suffering domestic violence:
www.nhs.uk/live-well/healthy-body/getting-help-for-domestic-violence/

SAMM - Support after Murder and Manslaughter (highly recommended for those who have lost a loved one to murder): www.samm.org.uk

The Compassionate Friends (for bereaved parents): www.tcf.org.uk

Got any more suggestions, Snappity?

Flutterby1891

Feminism has a very specific purpose. It's by women and for women, to liberate women from patriarchal control.

It doesn't mean that women who campaign on behalf of feminism, can't also campaign on behalf of any other cause. And many women do.

But it's just uncanny how feminism is targeted with the relentless question what about all these other causes? Always relating to men.

People don't go into cancer research and say why aren't you campaigning on behalf of heart disease?

This is the feminism board. The clue is in the name.

Posters who don't care how many women are murdered, are not really grasping the spirit.

BeyondRadicalisatuon

The 900 was over six years I believe, whilst the 4000+ was over one, so really we are comparing 900 to 24,000.

Again, I'm not saying that murder isn't horrific, just that something which affects less than 0.01% of the female population isn't a huge feminist crisis.

Datun.

Although it may seem very surprising after my repeatedly referencing men, I'd actually love feminism to focus more on men. I hate feminism which just basically turns into all out man bashing - especially when the actions of a tiny minority are used as an excuse. I admire strong women who just get on with it, many of whom don't even reference feminism in their actions.

Gah, I meant "focus more on women" not men.