Looking for a neutral summary on trans issues

[catkind]

I won't pretend I don't hold strong (GC) views myself, but I would find it really useful to have a neutral summary of the positions both sides (and subcamps) are taking. I want to be able to explain to friends who have no idea about trans politics what this is about and what the disagreements are, in terms that friends who are on the transactivist side of the debate won't disagree with. Anyone got any good links for me?

Err... I absolutely have to confess my disability and my needs related to that actually... Don’t assume things...

It's a shame that any otherwise innocuous potential loopholes have been so comprehensively broadcast really, isn't it.

Perhaps you'd like to elaborate on this post of yours Rat?

Not 'openly' mocking womens concerns either?

Unless you mean women being super concerned about insulting me there is no mockery of any woman's concerns on here. Oh, except mine I would suggest.

LOL

Err... I absolutely have to confess my disability and my needs related to that actually... Don’t assume things...

Was this to me? I don't believe I assumed anything about you in relation to disability, or anyone for that matter? Can you tell me what you're referring to? (Or perhaps it wasn't to me...?)

Personally I think you have a more hyperbolic notion of the usual boundaries.

One step away from calling me "hysterical" for wanting fetishistic males not to be considered women.

Right, this has been fun. I only meant to write that original post to the OP but it seems you lot just can't get enough of me. But for now I really do have to work. Don't have too much fun without me!

Byeee!

Would it help me to get a job if I claimed to be able bodied and telling me I wasn’t was disabledphobic? Would it help me get my disability related needs met in employment if I did that?

No, because my disability, no matter how I feel about it, no matter how horrible it is to be wholly and completely identified by all the things I cannot do and the things that cause me suffering, no matter how many times I am discriminated against on the basis of it, no matter how many times this discrimination is illegal under the law, in every single situation I experience in life my disability still exists.

Rat, here is a direct quote; You and I need not confess to our employer some intimate and significant detail of our personal and medical history, not least knowing that we live in a society where that particular detail often leads to discrimination.

And no, it doesn’t matter if you weren’t addressing it specifically to me...

Christ on a bike. You and I rarely agree, Rat, and we've had some pretty robust disagreements on here. But I've always thought of you as, well, a "superior" kind of adversary to some of the maniacs who arrive at FWR. A person actually worth jousting with, as it were. But um... I don't know what you're doing on this thread, but it really isn't pretty.

'Laws and institutions require to be adapted, not to good men, but to bad'
John Stuart Mill

I don't have much to do with the "trans camp" I'm afraid. I think it's fine to ask the question, and to give the options "yes, no, prefer not to say" for answering.

This seems a somewhat evasive answer, compared to your others.

However: the prefer not to say option you propose undermines your argument, and supports that of the poster who asked 'how can we factor out the influence of transwomen from statistics if transwomen are considered women in data gathering?'.

It has already been established that transwomen have different offending patterns than natal women, for example. There will also be a difference in medical/healthcare patterns of need. Evidence-based policy (if that's a 'thing' in the UK circa 2018 ) needs good quality evidence.

Oh, I see Offred, I was referring specifically to transition. Sorry, I thought that was clear. I probably should have used the word. The situation I'm talking about is specific to transition. Sorry for any offence caused by my not making what I was talking about more definitive.

Even on here I get mocked on occasion for spelling and grammar mistakes... I think constantly about it because it is a direct result of the damage to my brain done by my disability and I have always loved words... In those situations I am burdened with the choice of special pleading or mocking... It’s not pleasant...

Lang I posted my original post, that was all I intended to do here. But god knows I can't help sparring with my old buddies (I'm looking at you Eresh), just for old time's sake. I don't really have the time to go elucidating my points more than in the original post; I think it stands up for itself. Ta ra.

The whole point is that the issue is not specific to transition...

The laws designed to protect me as a disabled person require that I take on some of the burden of a discriminatory society. There is a discussion to be had about how much and when and where but there is no way to change that discrimination that does not burden me at all.

That is simply how it is and hopefully if the laws are good then disabled people won’t be as burdened by this in the future.

Offred your command of words is admirable; really, it is. That does sound very difficult and I don't envy you that choice.

*so that discrimination does not

I take it biff and kipper? Is some sort of kids book (not having kids I have no idea) but sure, go ahead and insult my intelligence when I literally just parroted your own words back at you.

Funny that because you never mock anyone right?

Or will you deny writing that as well?

Funny that because you never mock anyone right?

Indeed.

Funny that because you never mock anyone right?

I don't mock their concerns. But when they're twisting my words to try and insult me - and doing it badly - I might make light of their attempts.

Fuck sake, most work!

I don’t think many people mock the concerns TBH, if that was the assertion re your own posts then I have to wonder why you believe it makes you exceptional?

I mean broadly even activists for self ID haven’t mocked the concerns of GC people... they have mainly been censoring, insulting and intimidating but not often mocking...

Oh and defaming... must not forget that!